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If that's the case you should only use iOS devices for everything. No macbook pro, no PC. It's so easy to think the walled garden is great when you can just jum

If that's the case you should only use iOS devices for everything. No macbook pro, no PC. It's so easy to think the walled garden is great when you can just jump out of it when you need to do actual work or run an app Apple has deemed unfit for the appstore.

i_like_apis 5y ago
I love it for the phone. Obviously Macbook is a different product, with different use cases. You can and should run whatever you like on Macbook. They are both well-tended gardens of different types for different uses. Much higher walls on the phone is a great feature IMO.
- post_break 5y ago
  Then why can’t I run whatever I want on my phone? The logic here makes zero sense. A computer is a computer whether it fits in your pocket or sits on a desk.
  - fingerlocks 5y ago
    > Then why can’t I run whatever I want on my phone? You can, legally. You have that right. You can legally jailbreak a supported iPhone in 10 minutes and sideload all day or lldb attach to whatever you want. Nobody will stop you. But Apple doesn't want to support an open platform. That's their right. They don't want it to part of their ecosystem, their brand, or provide the avalanche of non-negligible support costs. The distinction here is important and rarely addressed in these discussion.
    - folkrav 5y ago
      > Nobody will stop you. I mean, Apple blocked countless jailbreaks as of today. It's AFAIK also against their ToS, therefore means they legally try to make it so you don't jailbreak. Can you _really_? Sounds more like a gray area they simply cannot control, but they're definitely trying their hardest to do so...
      - fingerlocks 5y ago
        It's been legal for over a decade https://www.macworld.com/article/206764/jailbreak_exemption.html https://www.macworld.com/article/206764/jailbreak_exemption....
      - bobsmooth 5y ago
        Apple updates its software to lockout jailbreaks. You're welcome to not update.
- Mogzol 5y ago
  I don't really understand this perspective. Why should you be allowed to run whatever you want on your MacBook but not on your phone? What makes a phone so different that the software you run on it should be more restricted than the software you run on a desktop? I would understand (though personally disagree) if you wanted the walled garden everywhere, but it seems contradictory to only want it on phones and not computers.
  - CubsFan1060 5y ago
    One of the two needs to be rock solid in case of emergency. If my MacBook crashes while trying to use it, it’s not a big deal. If my phone crashes while trying to call 911 when I have a car accident, someone may die. https://www.androidpolice.com/microsoft-teams-911-break-emergency-calls-android-explained/ https://www.androidpolice.com/microsoft-teams-911-break-emer... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/r4xz1f/pixel_prevented_me_from_calling_911/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/r4xz1f/pixel_p... Interesting quote: Cause let's be real, as someone without a landline, I sure as hell don't want a phone that freaks out when I try to call 911 in the middle of a life threatening emergency. I'm supposed to trust that a phone will do the main thing is built for, and place the call, and let me speak to the human on the other end.
    - colatkinson 5y ago
      Microsoft Teams is distributed through the Play Store. If iOS provided a similar API with a similar bug, the same thing could happen there. So clearly, blocking side-loading would have had no impact on this particular issue. If you're worried about low-quality software being side-loaded onto the phone, you can just not side-load anything. That's probably how most Android users use their devices. But it's nice that the walled garden has a gate.
      - CubsFan1060 5y ago
        I’m sorry. The question op asked wasn’t about side loading or about separate stores. It was about what makes a laptop different from a phone. But that’s an interesting question anyway. Apple and google can remove apps distributed through their stores. If a side loaded malicious app exploited this bug, would you have been in favor of google being able to disable those apps? Or should users wait a month until it is sort of fixed on some phones, and be unable to dial emergency services during the month where this was unpatched?
- orangecat 5y ago
  Obviously Macbook is a different product, with different use cases That's not at all obvious. What is the distinguishing characteristic that makes it reasonable for a giant corporation to have total control over how you use one but not the other?

i_like_apis 5y ago

I love it for the phone. Obviously Macbook is a different product, with different use cases. You can and should run whatever you like on Macbook. They are both well-tended gardens of different types for different uses. Much higher walls on the phone is a great feature IMO.

post_break 5y ago
Then why can’t I run whatever I want on my phone? The logic here makes zero sense. A computer is a computer whether it fits in your pocket or sits on a desk.
- fingerlocks 5y ago
  > Then why can’t I run whatever I want on my phone? You can, legally. You have that right. You can legally jailbreak a supported iPhone in 10 minutes and sideload all day or lldb attach to whatever you want. Nobody will stop you. But Apple doesn't want to support an open platform. That's their right. They don't want it to part of their ecosystem, their brand, or provide the avalanche of non-negligible support costs. The distinction here is important and rarely addressed in these discussion.
  - folkrav 5y ago
    > Nobody will stop you. I mean, Apple blocked countless jailbreaks as of today. It's AFAIK also against their ToS, therefore means they legally try to make it so you don't jailbreak. Can you _really_? Sounds more like a gray area they simply cannot control, but they're definitely trying their hardest to do so...
    - fingerlocks 5y ago
      It's been legal for over a decade https://www.macworld.com/article/206764/jailbreak_exemption.html https://www.macworld.com/article/206764/jailbreak_exemption....
    - bobsmooth 5y ago
      Apple updates its software to lockout jailbreaks. You're welcome to not update.
Mogzol 5y ago
I don't really understand this perspective. Why should you be allowed to run whatever you want on your MacBook but not on your phone? What makes a phone so different that the software you run on it should be more restricted than the software you run on a desktop? I would understand (though personally disagree) if you wanted the walled garden everywhere, but it seems contradictory to only want it on phones and not computers.
- CubsFan1060 5y ago
  One of the two needs to be rock solid in case of emergency. If my MacBook crashes while trying to use it, it’s not a big deal. If my phone crashes while trying to call 911 when I have a car accident, someone may die. https://www.androidpolice.com/microsoft-teams-911-break-emergency-calls-android-explained/ https://www.androidpolice.com/microsoft-teams-911-break-emer... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/r4xz1f/pixel_prevented_me_from_calling_911/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/r4xz1f/pixel_p... Interesting quote: Cause let's be real, as someone without a landline, I sure as hell don't want a phone that freaks out when I try to call 911 in the middle of a life threatening emergency. I'm supposed to trust that a phone will do the main thing is built for, and place the call, and let me speak to the human on the other end.
  - colatkinson 5y ago
    Microsoft Teams is distributed through the Play Store. If iOS provided a similar API with a similar bug, the same thing could happen there. So clearly, blocking side-loading would have had no impact on this particular issue. If you're worried about low-quality software being side-loaded onto the phone, you can just not side-load anything. That's probably how most Android users use their devices. But it's nice that the walled garden has a gate.
    - CubsFan1060 5y ago
      I’m sorry. The question op asked wasn’t about side loading or about separate stores. It was about what makes a laptop different from a phone. But that’s an interesting question anyway. Apple and google can remove apps distributed through their stores. If a side loaded malicious app exploited this bug, would you have been in favor of google being able to disable those apps? Or should users wait a month until it is sort of fixed on some phones, and be unable to dial emergency services during the month where this was unpatched?
orangecat 5y ago
Obviously Macbook is a different product, with different use cases That's not at all obvious. What is the distinguishing characteristic that makes it reasonable for a giant corporation to have total control over how you use one but not the other?