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> why the heck doesn't the macOS kernel support native containerization? Because Apple has no plans of growing their server OS marketshare. I know there are be

> why the heck doesn't the macOS kernel support native containerization? Because Apple has no plans of growing their server OS marketshare. I know there are benefits of using namespaces (containers) in the desktop market, but they don't sell iMacs/MBPs. Exterior design and heavy marketing is their sales strategy.

Langdal 5y ago
Also creating their own SoC that outperforms others in the space.
riffic 5y ago
containerization won't just help in the server-space. It has use-cases in app development like CI.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Apple would like you to move to XCode Cloud[0] in the future, running CI pipelines on your local device is soooo last-century. [0] https://developer.apple.com/xcode-cloud/ https://developer.apple.com/xcode-cloud/
Toine 5y ago
"Exterior design and heavy marketing is their sales strategy" this is old, boring and not even true.
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sjtindell 5y ago
I never understood this, because surely some huge percentage of developers use Macs. Enterprises buy stacks of them nonstop. Just making that group happy would get you the reputation of being a developers machine, for serious computer people, which could translate into laymen purchases too.
- Kwpolska 5y ago
  Would developers really be happy with containers running macOS inside? Production is running Linux, so they need two sets of images and their local image will be different from the one running in production.
  - tjr225 5y ago
    I'm really not sure what comment you're replying to but Mac developers write code that runs on linux primarily using Docker and "VMs" that run linux on docker. Like; probably 75% of the devs on the west coast do this.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Mac developers run code that runs on iOS, iPadOS, watchOS and macOS, that is why they are Mac developers. Otherwise they are just UNIX developers that don't care which POSIX platform they are actually using.
      - tjr225 5y ago
        Yeah, I meant developers who prefer to use macs.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  iOS, iPadOS, watchOS and macOS applications aren't made out of thin air, they also need developers.

Langdal 5y ago

Also creating their own SoC that outperforms others in the space.

riffic 5y ago

containerization won't just help in the server-space. It has use-cases in app development like CI.

smoldesu 5y ago
Apple would like you to move to XCode Cloud[0] in the future, running CI pipelines on your local device is soooo last-century. [0] https://developer.apple.com/xcode-cloud/ https://developer.apple.com/xcode-cloud/

Toine 5y ago

"Exterior design and heavy marketing is their sales strategy" this is old, boring and not even true.

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sjtindell 5y ago

I never understood this, because surely some huge percentage of developers use Macs. Enterprises buy stacks of them nonstop. Just making that group happy would get you the reputation of being a developers machine, for serious computer people, which could translate into laymen purchases too.

Kwpolska 5y ago
Would developers really be happy with containers running macOS inside? Production is running Linux, so they need two sets of images and their local image will be different from the one running in production.
- tjr225 5y ago
  I'm really not sure what comment you're replying to but Mac developers write code that runs on linux primarily using Docker and "VMs" that run linux on docker. Like; probably 75% of the devs on the west coast do this.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Mac developers run code that runs on iOS, iPadOS, watchOS and macOS, that is why they are Mac developers. Otherwise they are just UNIX developers that don't care which POSIX platform they are actually using.
    - tjr225 5y ago
      Yeah, I meant developers who prefer to use macs.
pjmlp 5y ago
iOS, iPadOS, watchOS and macOS applications aren't made out of thin air, they also need developers.