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Are people still using actual vim? I am, because I'm old. But what's the story with NeoVim, should I be considering switching to that?

mempko 5y ago
I also use vim not neovim. I don't like the neovim culture and money grab. I think the founders misrepresented the origin story. But neovim does have some nice features. But not enough for me to switch and vim is being improved at a rapid pace. Still team vim.
- leephillips 5y ago
  Money grab?
leephillips 5y ago
Plenty of people still use Vim; probably more than use Neovim (just a guess). Now that Vim has asynchronous plugins and terminals, there won't be much difference for you unless you want to write your own plugins or elaborate configurations: you can do that in Lua with Neovim, which is much saner than using Vimscript. The only other reason might be if you want to use a plugin that’s not available in Vim.
lawn 5y ago
I've used Neovim since it first came to and there are good reasons to try it out: - Native Lua support. While you don't have to rewrite your config in Lua, it's a big boon for plugin writers. - A very active community, fueled by.Lua being so much nicer than vimscript. - Native LSP support. Granted, you can get similar features from plugins such as coc, but the native integration in Neovim feels a lot more integrated and extendable. - Treesitter support. Fast and more detailed syntax highlighting is nice, but you can also do more contextual transformations like swap functions or function parameters regardless of formating.
sodapopcan 5y ago
I have considered using neovim but still haven't made the switch. I really wish there weren't the two options yet here we are. One hand, while I very much respect that Bram can do what he want (and he's done so much for everyone), it's still pretty lame how it all went down that led neovim to come into existence. But ya, I dunno, I still just use vim. I also actually like vimscript—Sure, it's 100% Stockholm Syndrome, but still.
Aperocky 5y ago
I'm not old but I'm a daily vim user. I edit all non-jvm languages with just vim (and decent amount of pluggins)
ImprovedSilence 5y ago
I kinda use both. vim and my ~/.vimrc have all my sensible settings and keybindings and leader keys stuff and stays lightweight, good for just text editing or reading whatever quickly. no plugins at all really. For neovim I tried to go for the whole VIM as an IDE thing, any plugin I use is installed in it, it attaches to a few LSP servers, etc etc. Also my neovim init sources my .vimrc, so any basic keybindings I like come over there too. Some people seem to love the lua angle to neovim, I don't really know anything about the language, I get that it allows for more powerful stuff, but it's also ugly as hell and it seems like it always takes like 34875982345 characters and 700 curly braces to just do imap jk <Esc>....

mempko 5y ago

I also use vim not neovim. I don't like the neovim culture and money grab. I think the founders misrepresented the origin story. But neovim does have some nice features. But not enough for me to switch and vim is being improved at a rapid pace. Still team vim.

leephillips 5y ago
Money grab?

leephillips 5y ago

Plenty of people still use Vim; probably more than use Neovim (just a guess). Now that Vim has asynchronous plugins and terminals, there won't be much difference for you unless you want to write your own plugins or elaborate configurations: you can do that in Lua with Neovim, which is much saner than using Vimscript. The only other reason might be if you want to use a plugin that’s not available in Vim.

lawn 5y ago

I've used Neovim since it first came to and there are good reasons to try it out: - Native Lua support. While you don't have to rewrite your config in Lua, it's a big boon for plugin writers. - A very active community, fueled by.Lua being so much nicer than vimscript. - Native LSP support. Granted, you can get similar features from plugins such as coc, but the native integration in Neovim feels a lot more integrated and extendable. - Treesitter support. Fast and more detailed syntax highlighting is nice, but you can also do more contextual transformations like swap functions or function parameters regardless of formating.

sodapopcan 5y ago

I have considered using neovim but still haven't made the switch. I really wish there weren't the two options yet here we are. One hand, while I very much respect that Bram can do what he want (and he's done so much for everyone), it's still pretty lame how it all went down that led neovim to come into existence. But ya, I dunno, I still just use vim. I also actually like vimscript—Sure, it's 100% Stockholm Syndrome, but still.

Aperocky 5y ago

I'm not old but I'm a daily vim user. I edit all non-jvm languages with just vim (and decent amount of pluggins)

ImprovedSilence 5y ago

I kinda use both. vim and my ~/.vimrc have all my sensible settings and keybindings and leader keys stuff and stays lightweight, good for just text editing or reading whatever quickly. no plugins at all really. For neovim I tried to go for the whole VIM as an IDE thing, any plugin I use is installed in it, it attaches to a few LSP servers, etc etc. Also my neovim init sources my .vimrc, so any basic keybindings I like come over there too. Some people seem to love the lua angle to neovim, I don't really know anything about the language, I get that it allows for more powerful stuff, but it's also ugly as hell and it seems like it always takes like 34875982345 characters and 700 curly braces to just do imap jk <Esc>....