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Never? I’ll give you a just riot: Stonewall (thus the slogan, “Stonewall was a riot.”) There was a democratic system at the time of Stonewall, and it had rende
by julianeon 5y ago
Never? I’ll give you a just riot: Stonewall (thus the slogan, “Stonewall was a riot.”)
There was a democratic system at the time of Stonewall, and it had rendered its verdict: It is good for the police to rough up gays, actually. They’re deviants anyway (we trust the word of the police on this one) and it will discourage young people from becoming gay.
So the “just choice” at the time, if you were gay, was to get beat up periodically by the police, and take it, apparently.
So the gays at Stonewall said “no” to this and rioted. And it was a unquestionably a net positive.
They did something that reads as shocking even now: they answered the authorized agents of the state, the police, doing their democratically approved work to arrest gays at bars, with violence. “This is not a drill, we are going to fuck you up.”
And it was one of the best things the activists (or “terrorists”) of the gay rights movement ever did.
This theory is important because, without it, we have no way to explain why the gays at Stonewall were right to riot, and really should have done it even earlier. But if you agree it was good for them to riot and create a milestone & a turning point in the progress of the gay rights movement, then a theory like this is good also.
- teakettle42 5y agoThere seems to be a classification problem here; Stonewall is called a riot, but was very different from the riots we saw recently in the US.
- naasking 5y ago> And it was a unquestionably a net positive. An implicit assumption in your argument that the outcome classifies an act as just or unjust. That is not a given.
- wcarron 5y agoNo, I think not. The implicit assumption of his argument is that the origin and causes of the violence classify it as just or unjust.
- Jensson 5y ago> Never? I’ll give you a just riot: Stonewall (thus the slogan, “Stonewall was a riot.”) Stonewall riots didn't burn down random homes or cars, they just attacked the police. That is the difference. If gay people started burning down random homes and cars I'm sure people wouldn't call them just.