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I always wonder why this complexity is necessary. For family, just make 1 static graphic with husband, wife, son, daughter. For color just make them all yellow.

I always wonder why this complexity is necessary. For family, just make 1 static graphic with husband, wife, son, daughter. For color just make them all yellow. No mess of joining things like this.

dpark 5y ago
I know, right? Just make the family 2 guys, one black and one white, with 4 kids of various skin tones. Everyone will definitely be happy with that representation. It’s a legitimate family after all.
- collegeburner 5y ago
  - dpark 5y ago
    > it's not a normal one I want to laugh but this is sadder than it is funny. Your definition of a “normal” family is literally heterosexual and white* (certainly not interracial). This is exactly why people want emoji to be more representative. They don’t agree that their families are “not normal”. *Make no mistake, “yellow” is still a proxy for white skin. If the skin tone chosen were, say, dark orange, it would be exactly as realistic as yellow but white people would have a hard time identifying with the color and would be upset.
    - collegeburner 5y ago
      My definition of a normal family is straight because that's what the vast majority are... if you want to convey a concept easily use the common version. No issue with orange skin instead, or grey, or whatever else. Lots of advertisements recently use blue, green, pink, purple, whatever to purposely not be specific skin tones.
      - dpark 5y ago
        I’m not sure what to say to you here. You’re quite literally saying that it should just please the majority. Not for any technical reason, either. Representing families of different sorts is entirely feasible technically. I could totally understand a “don’t bother supporting emoji at all” stance, because that would actually simplify, but that’s not what you’re saying. > Lots of advertisements recently use blue,… I can’t recall ever seeing this. When I see commercials, they’re generally real people, plus that one gecko. I haven’t seen this in print advertisements either but I don’t see a lot of print advertisements in general.
        collegeburner 5y ago
        Look up "globohomo art style", originally developed for Facebook as "Alegria". It's the same one with distorted people and all that. The point is they purposely make them representative of nobody to avoid this problem.
garblegarble 5y ago
>For family, just make 1 static graphic with husband, wife, son, daughter Because lots of families don't look like that, and people want to use emoji that reflect them and theirs
- collegeburner 5y ago
- numpad0 5y ago
  Icons that indicate men's toilets are not communicating that users are expected to have two arms and legs.
numpad0 5y ago
History repeats itself. Flip phone emojis started in mid-1990s as carrier-specific custom characters on unused areas on Shift-JIS, and initially the implementations were largely the same. Wireless carriers then realized it could be used as differentiators, like by adding more specific mojis, colored mojis and animated GIF emojis, and then each strains of emojis that carriers offer grew into different dinosaurs over a decade and half until forcibly unified into a common ground in 2010s basically by Apple and Google. Apple got into the emoji game when they entered Japanese market with iPhone 3G on SoftBank, and Google then helped it standardized in Unicode. At that exact point everyone was on the same page. And at next instant, they realized that they are not differentiating on emoji.

I always wonder why this complexity is necessary. For family, just make 1 static graphic with husband, wife, son, daughter. For color just make them all yellow. No mess of joining things like this.

dpark 5y ago

I know, right? Just make the family 2 guys, one black and one white, with 4 kids of various skin tones. Everyone will definitely be happy with that representation. It’s a legitimate family after all.

collegeburner 5y ago
- dpark 5y ago
  > it's not a normal one I want to laugh but this is sadder than it is funny. Your definition of a “normal” family is literally heterosexual and white* (certainly not interracial). This is exactly why people want emoji to be more representative. They don’t agree that their families are “not normal”. *Make no mistake, “yellow” is still a proxy for white skin. If the skin tone chosen were, say, dark orange, it would be exactly as realistic as yellow but white people would have a hard time identifying with the color and would be upset.
  - collegeburner 5y ago
    My definition of a normal family is straight because that's what the vast majority are... if you want to convey a concept easily use the common version. No issue with orange skin instead, or grey, or whatever else. Lots of advertisements recently use blue, green, pink, purple, whatever to purposely not be specific skin tones.
    - dpark 5y ago
      I’m not sure what to say to you here. You’re quite literally saying that it should just please the majority. Not for any technical reason, either. Representing families of different sorts is entirely feasible technically. I could totally understand a “don’t bother supporting emoji at all” stance, because that would actually simplify, but that’s not what you’re saying. > Lots of advertisements recently use blue,… I can’t recall ever seeing this. When I see commercials, they’re generally real people, plus that one gecko. I haven’t seen this in print advertisements either but I don’t see a lot of print advertisements in general.
      - collegeburner 5y ago
        Look up "globohomo art style", originally developed for Facebook as "Alegria". It's the same one with distorted people and all that. The point is they purposely make them representative of nobody to avoid this problem.

garblegarble 5y ago

>For family, just make 1 static graphic with husband, wife, son, daughter Because lots of families don't look like that, and people want to use emoji that reflect them and theirs

collegeburner 5y ago
numpad0 5y ago
Icons that indicate men's toilets are not communicating that users are expected to have two arms and legs.

numpad0 5y ago

History repeats itself. Flip phone emojis started in mid-1990s as carrier-specific custom characters on unused areas on Shift-JIS, and initially the implementations were largely the same. Wireless carriers then realized it could be used as differentiators, like by adding more specific mojis, colored mojis and animated GIF emojis, and then each strains of emojis that carriers offer grew into different dinosaurs over a decade and half until forcibly unified into a common ground in 2010s basically by Apple and Google. Apple got into the emoji game when they entered Japanese market with iPhone 3G on SoftBank, and Google then helped it standardized in Unicode. At that exact point everyone was on the same page. And at next instant, they realized that they are not differentiating on emoji.