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> were the affiliations unremarkable and not reportable but prosecutors screwed up? Yes, the prosecutors royally screwed up. From the article: "Prosecutors h

> were the affiliations unremarkable and not reportable but prosecutors screwed up? Yes, the prosecutors royally screwed up. From the article: "Prosecutors had floated the idea of a deferred prosecution agreement, which would have allowed him to return to work and apply for government grants in the future. In return, said his lawyer, Mr. Fisher, he would have to admit to having some ties to China, none of them a violation of the law." So why would Chen have to declare them if they aren't illegal?

DocTomoe 5y ago
Sounds like a prosecutor was afraid to get sued into oblivion/have his future political ambitions ruined by this affair, and strong-armed the good doctor into signing a document to avoid this going to court, where outcomes are pretty much random.
- jhugo 5y ago
  * tried to strong-arm. He didn't accept the deal.
- hollerith 5y ago
  >Sounds like a prosecutor was afraid to get sued into oblivion Federal prosecutors cannot be sued: https://fedsoc.org/events/prosecutorial-immunity https://fedsoc.org/events/prosecutorial-immunity
ping333pong 5y ago
Chen has to declare foreign conflicts of interest if he takes federal grants.
- pverghese 5y ago
  The prosecution themselves have said that there was no reporting requirement for that.
  - ping333pong 5y ago
    I got my initial understanding of the reg. from an article on Charles Lieber’s case, which boiled them down to “must report conflicts of interest.” The reality (https://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/coi/index.htm https://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/coi/index.htm) is more nuanced and up to the courts to decide, but as a one sentence summary I think it’s fair.
- perihelions 5y ago
  There was no such legal requirement on this grant. >"What tipped the scale, the people said, was an interview by prosecutors this month of a senior Energy Department official who is considered an authority on what disclosures are material on grant forms. The official confirmed that the 2017 form did not require disclosures of Chen’s ties to the technology university or other Chinese government organizations and programs, one person said" https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/mit-gang-chen-dismiss/2022/01/20/912f68aa-786b-11ec-bf97-6eac6f77fba2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/mit-gang-ch...
908B64B197 5y ago
> he would have to admit to having some ties to China, none of them a violation of the law. What's the point?

DocTomoe 5y ago

Sounds like a prosecutor was afraid to get sued into oblivion/have his future political ambitions ruined by this affair, and strong-armed the good doctor into signing a document to avoid this going to court, where outcomes are pretty much random.

jhugo 5y ago
* tried to strong-arm. He didn't accept the deal.
hollerith 5y ago
>Sounds like a prosecutor was afraid to get sued into oblivion Federal prosecutors cannot be sued: https://fedsoc.org/events/prosecutorial-immunity https://fedsoc.org/events/prosecutorial-immunity

ping333pong 5y ago

Chen has to declare foreign conflicts of interest if he takes federal grants.

pverghese 5y ago
The prosecution themselves have said that there was no reporting requirement for that.
- ping333pong 5y ago
  I got my initial understanding of the reg. from an article on Charles Lieber’s case, which boiled them down to “must report conflicts of interest.” The reality (https://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/coi/index.htm https://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/coi/index.htm) is more nuanced and up to the courts to decide, but as a one sentence summary I think it’s fair.
perihelions 5y ago
There was no such legal requirement on this grant. >"What tipped the scale, the people said, was an interview by prosecutors this month of a senior Energy Department official who is considered an authority on what disclosures are material on grant forms. The official confirmed that the 2017 form did not require disclosures of Chen’s ties to the technology university or other Chinese government organizations and programs, one person said" https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/mit-gang-chen-dismiss/2022/01/20/912f68aa-786b-11ec-bf97-6eac6f77fba2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/mit-gang-ch...

908B64B197 5y ago

> he would have to admit to having some ties to China, none of them a violation of the law. What's the point?