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I agree in principle but I think you are missing the controversy that’s going on. These topics are being taught irresponsibly with no regard to the neutrality,

I agree in principle but I think you are missing the controversy that’s going on. These topics are being taught irresponsibly with no regard to the neutrality, openness or critical thinking that you seem to be implying. They are being used to indoctrinate. In some parts of the United States, for some topics, schools have stopped being institutions that students can discuss these topics outside of very narrow and one sided perspective. I’m not exaggerating, students get bad marks or aren’t even allowed to challenge ideas. So, if these schools are unable to teach these materials appropriately, maybe it should be left to other institutions that can. There is real corruption going on and parents are angry about what their kids are being taught. Some schools need to reform how they teach these topics and they are completely unwilling to do so without political pressure.

klyrs 5y ago
It's interesting that you say one-sided, because Black, indigenous, lgbtq, AAPI, Latin, women, Jewish, Muslim, disability, etc. rights activists/movements are each independent, and often conflicting. This list seeks to eradicate all of that, in favor of a single, white christian, perspective.
- insickness 5y ago
  > This list seeks to eradicate all of that, in favor of a single, white christian, perspective. This is a straw man. Teaching history is important but teaching all history through the lens of oppressor/oppressed is problematic. Many parents' rightly object to ideologically-driven teachings where white children are singled-out and taught that they are oppressors of all other children.
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mcphage 5y ago
> These topics are being taught irresponsibly with no regard to the neutrality, openness or critical thinking that you seem to be implying. They are being used to indoctrinate. In some parts of the United States, for some topics, schools have stopped being institutions that students can discuss these topics outside of very narrow and one sided perspective. I’m not exaggerating, students get bad marks or aren’t even allowed to challenge ideas. Ah, yes, so let's leave it up to conservative Texan parents, a group famous for being willing to teach "neutrality, openness, or critical thinking".
- crisdux 5y ago
  Your comment is unproductive and needlessly pejorative. If you are seriously trying to contribute constructively to the problem I outlined, then I think you must (a) acknowledge there is a problem, and (b) acknowledge these institutions are set up in a way to make reform difficult. (c) Figure out ways to solve it. What is the recourse to parents who think this is a legitimate problem? They must engage in a political process, which currently involves hyper partisanship. What's going on is crazy. The federal government painted parents as domestic terrorists for their legitimate concerns surrounding schools. We are going to see more of these hyper partisan tactics until we figure out better ways to reform our corrupt institutions. Let's not forget both sides are not impervious to racist behaviors. "White liberals dumb themselves down when they speak to black people, a new study contends." https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/30/white-liberals-dumb-themselves-down-when-they-speak-black-people-new-study-contends/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/30/white-liber...
  - mcphage 5y ago
    > What is the recourse to parents who think this is a legitimate problem? What recourse should parents have when they're upset that their children are being taught to be better people than they are, and don't like it? > Let's not forget both sides are not impervious to racist behaviors. What is the relevance of this at all?
    - crisdux 5y ago
      You clearly are not a constructive participant in this issue. > What is the relevance of this at all? You brought it up.

klyrs 5y ago

It's interesting that you say one-sided, because Black, indigenous, lgbtq, AAPI, Latin, women, Jewish, Muslim, disability, etc. rights activists/movements are each independent, and often conflicting. This list seeks to eradicate all of that, in favor of a single, white christian, perspective.

insickness 5y ago
> This list seeks to eradicate all of that, in favor of a single, white christian, perspective. This is a straw man. Teaching history is important but teaching all history through the lens of oppressor/oppressed is problematic. Many parents' rightly object to ideologically-driven teachings where white children are singled-out and taught that they are oppressors of all other children.
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mcphage 5y ago

> These topics are being taught irresponsibly with no regard to the neutrality, openness or critical thinking that you seem to be implying. They are being used to indoctrinate. In some parts of the United States, for some topics, schools have stopped being institutions that students can discuss these topics outside of very narrow and one sided perspective. I’m not exaggerating, students get bad marks or aren’t even allowed to challenge ideas. Ah, yes, so let's leave it up to conservative Texan parents, a group famous for being willing to teach "neutrality, openness, or critical thinking".

crisdux 5y ago
Your comment is unproductive and needlessly pejorative. If you are seriously trying to contribute constructively to the problem I outlined, then I think you must (a) acknowledge there is a problem, and (b) acknowledge these institutions are set up in a way to make reform difficult. (c) Figure out ways to solve it. What is the recourse to parents who think this is a legitimate problem? They must engage in a political process, which currently involves hyper partisanship. What's going on is crazy. The federal government painted parents as domestic terrorists for their legitimate concerns surrounding schools. We are going to see more of these hyper partisan tactics until we figure out better ways to reform our corrupt institutions. Let's not forget both sides are not impervious to racist behaviors. "White liberals dumb themselves down when they speak to black people, a new study contends." https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/30/white-liberals-dumb-themselves-down-when-they-speak-black-people-new-study-contends/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/30/white-liber...
- mcphage 5y ago
  > What is the recourse to parents who think this is a legitimate problem? What recourse should parents have when they're upset that their children are being taught to be better people than they are, and don't like it? > Let's not forget both sides are not impervious to racist behaviors. What is the relevance of this at all?
  - crisdux 5y ago
    You clearly are not a constructive participant in this issue. > What is the relevance of this at all? You brought it up.