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> Life can still be fun even it is pre-rendered. Like a movie you don't know what's going to happen next anyways. What if my life isn't "fun"? A lot of people

> Life can still be fun even it is pre-rendered. Like a movie you don't know what's going to happen next anyways. What if my life isn't "fun"? A lot of people live out lives of complete suffering. Childhood cancer? Poverty? Disease? Genetic mental health issues? Inbreeding? Childhood trauma? That list goes on and on. That isn't a movie I signed up for. Does determinism think this is supposed to be a lesson of some sort?

ninkendo 5y ago
Nothing about superdeterminism says you can't find ways out of suffering... to use the movie example, the movie may play out such that your life gets better! Or it won't... superdeterminism just says that those frames are already printed on the film, we just don't know what they look like yet because we can't perceive the future.
- EMM_386 5y ago
  > Nothing about superdeterminism says you can't find ways out of suffering Actually it does. Your movie is going to play out the way it plays out, regardless of whatever you do. Throw your feet up in the recliner or struggle for that next promotion, doesn't matter. Brain cancer. I just find this rubbish.
  - trixie_ 5y ago
    Religious people would say brain cancer was just part of gods plan. Determinism basically is the same plan just no god involved. Why is that rubbish? Because you don’t like it?
  - ninkendo 5y ago
    Do you find it rubbish because you don’t want to believe it’s true? Or because there’s holes in the logic? You rejecting superdeterminism, deciding that your fate is up to you, and making positive decisions to improve your life, is great. Do that. It may be though, that those positive decisions and deciding your fate is up to you, etc, was already printed on the film. Or if instead you just throw your feet up on the recliner and decide to do nothing, then that would have already been printed on the film as well. If in a trillion years the universe ends and there’s a complete story to tell about everything that happened, and some external observer were to watch that story, they’d see you making whatever decision you made and your life turning out in a particular way. But they wouldn’t expect that if they rewound the film that things would somehow turn out differently.

ninkendo 5y ago

Nothing about superdeterminism says you can't find ways out of suffering... to use the movie example, the movie may play out such that your life gets better! Or it won't... superdeterminism just says that those frames are already printed on the film, we just don't know what they look like yet because we can't perceive the future.

EMM_386 5y ago
> Nothing about superdeterminism says you can't find ways out of suffering Actually it does. Your movie is going to play out the way it plays out, regardless of whatever you do. Throw your feet up in the recliner or struggle for that next promotion, doesn't matter. Brain cancer. I just find this rubbish.
- trixie_ 5y ago
  Religious people would say brain cancer was just part of gods plan. Determinism basically is the same plan just no god involved. Why is that rubbish? Because you don’t like it?
- ninkendo 5y ago
  Do you find it rubbish because you don’t want to believe it’s true? Or because there’s holes in the logic? You rejecting superdeterminism, deciding that your fate is up to you, and making positive decisions to improve your life, is great. Do that. It may be though, that those positive decisions and deciding your fate is up to you, etc, was already printed on the film. Or if instead you just throw your feet up on the recliner and decide to do nothing, then that would have already been printed on the film as well. If in a trillion years the universe ends and there’s a complete story to tell about everything that happened, and some external observer were to watch that story, they’d see you making whatever decision you made and your life turning out in a particular way. But they wouldn’t expect that if they rewound the film that things would somehow turn out differently.