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We don't have any covid mask rules in England. Last time I was in Scotland I saw wide scale adherence to the rules. Haven't been to Wales or NI for a while.

LatteLazy 5y ago
Erg. It's actually much messier than that. The rules for england were rescinded (last night or was it earlier this week). But the laws are still in force, just the Home Sec has said they don't apply. Only they still apply in some places eg on TfL where the mayor decides not the home secretary, And he is keeping that law. But he is also not enforcing it, just asking people only they are legally required to do it. So we have a few laws here. None of them enforced. And loads of covid, though that is much less of a problem now everyone has been offered a vaccine. Im not really bothered, Im just saying we love laws and we don't enforce them at all here in blighty. :)
- basisword 5y ago
  If TFL is anything like a few months ago there isn't a 'law' requiring mask usage, it's just a condition of carriage[1]. Also, they're enforcing it with enforcement officers. There may not be many and they may do a poor job of actually challenging people but I've seen it at stations a few times.
- mnw21cam 5y ago
  The home secretary has a lot of control over laws, using a thing in the British law system called a "statutory instrument". That is, a law passed by parliament that says that a named person (usually the home secretary) has the power to switch on and off a very specific law as they see fit. There's a surprising number of laws that are controlled that way. It's in some ways a neat invention, in that it allows laws to be fine-tuned without having to go through a whole parliamentary hearing. For instance, if a law against people being obnoxious in some particular way becomes irrelevant because people have stopped being obnoxious in that particular way, then the home secretary can just switch it off. But it has to be set up by parliament in this way in advance.
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- iso1631 5y ago
  > The rules for england were rescinded (last night or was it earlier this week). But the laws are still in force, Which law requires face coverings? I can't see anything in The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 3) Regulations 2020, and the Public Transport requirement has been rescinded.
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    Public transport requirements have ended in general. But TfL set their own requirements which are legally enforceable. They are staying as they're decided by the mayor. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60038741 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60038741 I think you want this law: The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (England) Regulations 2021 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1340/regulation/3/made https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1340/regulation/3/m... I don't think it's been repealed. But the Home Sec and PM have said it won't be enforced (as of last night?). But it wasn't being enforced anyway. So as I say, a massive fucking mess.
    - iso1631 5y ago
      That one expired Expiry: 15.—(1) These Regulations expire at the end of 20th December 2021. You're right about local rules applying to specific businesses (Sainsburys, TFL etc), I was thinking more England wide. To be honest looking at the cases in Scotland (where mask compliance from Sep-Dec was high) with England (where it wasn't genrally required and few wore them outside of public transport) I can't tell if the rules made any difference at a population level .
basisword 5y ago
Scottish adherence to mask rules was astonishingly good from what I saw during a visit. NI on the other hand was much worse than London the few times I was there.

LatteLazy 5y ago

Erg. It's actually much messier than that. The rules for england were rescinded (last night or was it earlier this week). But the laws are still in force, just the Home Sec has said they don't apply. Only they still apply in some places eg on TfL where the mayor decides not the home secretary, And he is keeping that law. But he is also not enforcing it, just asking people only they are legally required to do it. So we have a few laws here. None of them enforced. And loads of covid, though that is much less of a problem now everyone has been offered a vaccine. Im not really bothered, Im just saying we love laws and we don't enforce them at all here in blighty. :)

basisword 5y ago
If TFL is anything like a few months ago there isn't a 'law' requiring mask usage, it's just a condition of carriage[1]. Also, they're enforcing it with enforcement officers. There may not be many and they may do a poor job of actually challenging people but I've seen it at stations a few times.
mnw21cam 5y ago
The home secretary has a lot of control over laws, using a thing in the British law system called a "statutory instrument". That is, a law passed by parliament that says that a named person (usually the home secretary) has the power to switch on and off a very specific law as they see fit. There's a surprising number of laws that are controlled that way. It's in some ways a neat invention, in that it allows laws to be fine-tuned without having to go through a whole parliamentary hearing. For instance, if a law against people being obnoxious in some particular way becomes irrelevant because people have stopped being obnoxious in that particular way, then the home secretary can just switch it off. But it has to be set up by parliament in this way in advance.
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iso1631 5y ago
> The rules for england were rescinded (last night or was it earlier this week). But the laws are still in force, Which law requires face coverings? I can't see anything in The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 3) Regulations 2020, and the Public Transport requirement has been rescinded.
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  Public transport requirements have ended in general. But TfL set their own requirements which are legally enforceable. They are staying as they're decided by the mayor. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60038741 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60038741 I think you want this law: The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (England) Regulations 2021 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1340/regulation/3/made https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1340/regulation/3/m... I don't think it's been repealed. But the Home Sec and PM have said it won't be enforced (as of last night?). But it wasn't being enforced anyway. So as I say, a massive fucking mess.
  - iso1631 5y ago
    That one expired Expiry: 15.—(1) These Regulations expire at the end of 20th December 2021. You're right about local rules applying to specific businesses (Sainsburys, TFL etc), I was thinking more England wide. To be honest looking at the cases in Scotland (where mask compliance from Sep-Dec was high) with England (where it wasn't genrally required and few wore them outside of public transport) I can't tell if the rules made any difference at a population level .

basisword 5y ago

Scottish adherence to mask rules was astonishingly good from what I saw during a visit. NI on the other hand was much worse than London the few times I was there.