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What would be his ulterior motive? there's no money in it for him; ivermectin is dirt cheap and he doesn't produce it. If you think it is all reputational, then

What would be his ulterior motive? there's no money in it for him; ivermectin is dirt cheap and he doesn't produce it. If you think it is all reputational, then it would have been easier and better to salvage his reputation by just admitting his educated guess was wrong if it is in fact wrong, but more research was necessary to prove that. No one would fault him for that, and he knows that. I think he is just sincerely convinced by the evidence and wants to help tackle the pandemic. He made multiple recommendations some of which got adopted as standard of care (ivermectin wasn't adopted), before any good research was done, simply because that was the best that could be done in a new pandemic. He has got a pretty good track record, even discounting ivermectin Then again, there are also studies designed to undermine the evidence for off label treatments, such as the one about HCQ that was retracted from the Lancet. So if you are gonna question people's motives then at least question both sides. resistance to ivermectin may also be unscientific in nature. Pharma companies have a lot more riding on mass vaccination than Kory has on ivermectin

pfisch 5y ago
In the us ivermectin is not cheap to take as a prophylactic. https://m.goodrx.com/ivermectin https://m.goodrx.com/ivermectin The vaccine is much, much cheaper.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  It's not if this then that. One is a preventative One is a treatment. Why is everyone so fucking broken.
  - manwe150 5y ago
    Prophylaxis means as a preventative. So that is sort of the title here.
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    Ivermectin is being pushed by Dr Kory as both a treatment and a preventative measure.
martneumann 5y ago
Well, they received 350k dollars in donations in 2020 alone. I've also heard that they offer "consulting" to governments, such as in Brazil or India. Both used Ivermectin in their "Covid Kits". Didn't really work out, though. >He made multiple recommendations some of which got adopted as standard of care (ivermectin wasn't adopted) Shouldn't that show you that he might just be wrong on this one? If he was right, why wouldn't it be adopted? >Then again, there are also studies designed to undermine the evidence for off label treatments, such as the one about HCQ that was retracted from the Lancet. Do you have more info?
- yosefk 5y ago
  $350K per year? 2 more years, and they'll cross Dr Evil's One. Million. Dollars. mark! Divide this between the several US medical professionals involved, and we're looking at life-changing payouts.
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    The formed the org in 2020. I'm willing to bet 2021 will have a great deal more donations. Their filings for 2021 are not yet out.
- notahacker 5y ago
  The Lancet study involved a company called Surgisphere claiming to have used ML techniques on massive datasets. Medical professionals questioned the findings and the startup founder responsible for the data refused to release it, citing confidentiality agreements, and is generally presumed to have fabricated it to generate publicity for his company. The coauthors requested its retraction. Needless to say, this study does not represent the basis for the medical profession concluding that HCQ does not work; large scale trials did that. Ironically, it proves the exact opposite of what antivaxxers and alternate cure hypers claim it does: the medical profession was decisive about pulling apart bad studies opposing off label treatments even though it supported their supposition HCQ didn't work and was just hype; just like they've rushed to highlight the indications of likely falsified data in the preprint of this Invermectin study which of course the authors haven't retracted...
jjeaff 5y ago
He has created a rather large social media presence, though I think he was booted from some platforms for perceived misinformation. They also accept donations on their website, and they list referrals to doctors on their website, not sure if there is any money exchanging hands there, although I think some of the members of the org are listed as doctor referrals. But, not being wrong is a very powerful motivator. More powerful than money and power sometimes. I suspect he hitched his horse to the ivermectin wagon early on and has been looking for evidence to support it ever since while ignoring anything that hurts his narrative. I have seen some of the stuff he has posted on social media in support of ivermectin and it was just woefully, obviously bunk. And I never see him respond to any of the criticism directly. It's just all a big conspiracy, oh, look over here, another thing that might support my theory...

pfisch 5y ago

In the us ivermectin is not cheap to take as a prophylactic. https://m.goodrx.com/ivermectin https://m.goodrx.com/ivermectin The vaccine is much, much cheaper.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
It's not if this then that. One is a preventative One is a treatment. Why is everyone so fucking broken.
- manwe150 5y ago
  Prophylaxis means as a preventative. So that is sort of the title here.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  Ivermectin is being pushed by Dr Kory as both a treatment and a preventative measure.

martneumann 5y ago

Well, they received 350k dollars in donations in 2020 alone. I've also heard that they offer "consulting" to governments, such as in Brazil or India. Both used Ivermectin in their "Covid Kits". Didn't really work out, though. >He made multiple recommendations some of which got adopted as standard of care (ivermectin wasn't adopted) Shouldn't that show you that he might just be wrong on this one? If he was right, why wouldn't it be adopted? >Then again, there are also studies designed to undermine the evidence for off label treatments, such as the one about HCQ that was retracted from the Lancet. Do you have more info?

yosefk 5y ago
$350K per year? 2 more years, and they'll cross Dr Evil's One. Million. Dollars. mark! Divide this between the several US medical professionals involved, and we're looking at life-changing payouts.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  The formed the org in 2020. I'm willing to bet 2021 will have a great deal more donations. Their filings for 2021 are not yet out.
notahacker 5y ago
The Lancet study involved a company called Surgisphere claiming to have used ML techniques on massive datasets. Medical professionals questioned the findings and the startup founder responsible for the data refused to release it, citing confidentiality agreements, and is generally presumed to have fabricated it to generate publicity for his company. The coauthors requested its retraction. Needless to say, this study does not represent the basis for the medical profession concluding that HCQ does not work; large scale trials did that. Ironically, it proves the exact opposite of what antivaxxers and alternate cure hypers claim it does: the medical profession was decisive about pulling apart bad studies opposing off label treatments even though it supported their supposition HCQ didn't work and was just hype; just like they've rushed to highlight the indications of likely falsified data in the preprint of this Invermectin study which of course the authors haven't retracted...

jjeaff 5y ago

He has created a rather large social media presence, though I think he was booted from some platforms for perceived misinformation. They also accept donations on their website, and they list referrals to doctors on their website, not sure if there is any money exchanging hands there, although I think some of the members of the org are listed as doctor referrals. But, not being wrong is a very powerful motivator. More powerful than money and power sometimes. I suspect he hitched his horse to the ivermectin wagon early on and has been looking for evidence to support it ever since while ignoring anything that hurts his narrative. I have seen some of the stuff he has posted on social media in support of ivermectin and it was just woefully, obviously bunk. And I never see him respond to any of the criticism directly. It's just all a big conspiracy, oh, look over here, another thing that might support my theory...