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What does "banned" mean in this context?

by pwgentleman 5y ago

sodality2 5y ago
Removed from school shelves. The title is very unclear in that it's for schools.
- finite_jest 5y ago
  They are not removed from school shelves. This is not even a proposal for them to be removed from school shelves. The title is misleading. Please see my other comment above. Some State Rep has inquired about these, so is true that it's plausible that some of the books in the list may be targeted in the future, but that hasn't happened yet.
  - voxadam 5y ago
    > some of the books in the list may be targeted in the future, but that hasn't happened yet. It's quite literally a list of targeted books.
    - finite_jest 5y ago
      Not in the sense that they are being removed from the school libraries, but that might happen in the future. There are other instances of books being removed from libraries, or removed from the required reading lists, but this isn't one of them. Link to the inquiry: https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/965725d7f01b8a25ca44b6fde2f5519b/krauseletter.pdf https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/965725d7f01b8a25... EDIT: I learned of one instance of books already being "temporarily" removed by a school board [1] triggered by this inquiry. [1]: https://www.granburyisd.org/site/default.aspx?PageType=3&DomainID=23&ModuleInstanceID=37797&ViewID=6446EE88-D30C-497E-9316-3F8874B3E108&RenderLoc=0&FlexDataID=56433&PageID=22101 https://www.granburyisd.org/site/default.aspx?PageType=3&Dom...
refurb 5y ago
Not what the headline implies at all.
gambiting 5y ago
Schools are not allowed to keep them in libraries or require their students to read them. You can of course still purchase them in a store or online.
shakna 5y ago
Schools are given two options: + Remove them from their shelves, and send a letter saying they do not have the books available. This is the cheaper/easier option, and several schools have already opted to do so. + Make a count of all the books, provide location information about the storage of the book, including its exact geographic location on their campus, and trawl their records to determine precisely how much they spent on each of the books in an itemised manner [0], and send a report detailing all of this. [0] Schools receive books generally in either donations, or in groupings that are not itemised, making determining the cost of an individual copy of a book extremely difficult. That's before you get to poor financial record keeping that is also rife in school libraries.
- BlueTemplar 5y ago
  Surely, "unknown" is a possible answer, when some information is literally unknown ?
  - shakna 5y ago
    That is a possible answer if you would like to invite a full scale audit of the school. For obvious reasons, that is not desirable by administrations. The safer option is to remove the material if you cannot be certain.
  - falcor84 5y ago
    I would assume that librarians are literally paid to know what books they have
    - shakna 5y ago
      The school makes a purchase of new books from a publisher. They select the "modern teen reading" package, and pay a lump sum for 100 books across nine categories. Some of the books under investigation are in the received package. What was the cost of the individual books under investigation?
      - 5y ago

What does "banned" mean in this context?

sodality2 5y ago

Removed from school shelves. The title is very unclear in that it's for schools.

finite_jest 5y ago
They are not removed from school shelves. This is not even a proposal for them to be removed from school shelves. The title is misleading. Please see my other comment above. Some State Rep has inquired about these, so is true that it's plausible that some of the books in the list may be targeted in the future, but that hasn't happened yet.
- voxadam 5y ago
  > some of the books in the list may be targeted in the future, but that hasn't happened yet. It's quite literally a list of targeted books.
  - finite_jest 5y ago
    Not in the sense that they are being removed from the school libraries, but that might happen in the future. There are other instances of books being removed from libraries, or removed from the required reading lists, but this isn't one of them. Link to the inquiry: https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/965725d7f01b8a25ca44b6fde2f5519b/krauseletter.pdf https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/965725d7f01b8a25... EDIT: I learned of one instance of books already being "temporarily" removed by a school board [1] triggered by this inquiry. [1]: https://www.granburyisd.org/site/default.aspx?PageType=3&DomainID=23&ModuleInstanceID=37797&ViewID=6446EE88-D30C-497E-9316-3F8874B3E108&RenderLoc=0&FlexDataID=56433&PageID=22101 https://www.granburyisd.org/site/default.aspx?PageType=3&Dom...

refurb 5y ago

Not what the headline implies at all.

gambiting 5y ago

Schools are not allowed to keep them in libraries or require their students to read them. You can of course still purchase them in a store or online.

shakna 5y ago

Schools are given two options: + Remove them from their shelves, and send a letter saying they do not have the books available. This is the cheaper/easier option, and several schools have already opted to do so. + Make a count of all the books, provide location information about the storage of the book, including its exact geographic location on their campus, and trawl their records to determine precisely how much they spent on each of the books in an itemised manner [0], and send a report detailing all of this. [0] Schools receive books generally in either donations, or in groupings that are not itemised, making determining the cost of an individual copy of a book extremely difficult. That's before you get to poor financial record keeping that is also rife in school libraries.

BlueTemplar 5y ago
Surely, "unknown" is a possible answer, when some information is literally unknown ?
- shakna 5y ago
  That is a possible answer if you would like to invite a full scale audit of the school. For obvious reasons, that is not desirable by administrations. The safer option is to remove the material if you cannot be certain.
- falcor84 5y ago
  I would assume that librarians are literally paid to know what books they have
  - shakna 5y ago
    The school makes a purchase of new books from a publisher. They select the "modern teen reading" package, and pay a lump sum for 100 books across nine categories. Some of the books under investigation are in the received package. What was the cost of the individual books under investigation?
    - 5y ago