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Ok so now what? We lock down society for a relatively benign virus whose more extreme outcomes are mostly ameliorated by vaccines and therapies? I am all for

Ok so now what? We lock down society for a relatively benign virus whose more extreme outcomes are mostly ameliorated by vaccines and therapies? I am all for you encouraging people to vaccinate but if they don’t then that is their choice. (Me: triple vaxxed and still got covid 2x) There a millions of preventable deaths of many kinds every year. Why is this cause special (now today, not with our previous situation in 2020) Also: An endemic disease is a disease that is always present in a particular population/region. Ex. Flu, malaria, HIV, syphilis, and… COVID (When they do declare this an endemic next month do I get a prize?) Additionally we have never eliminated a coronavirus before. This isn’t smallpox/polio.

uoaei 5y ago
> Ok so now what? We lock down society for a relatively benign virus Awwww, you made that little straw man just for me?! You're too kind... (Your first mistake is acting like there's only two sides to this, and because I advocate taking more care, then you think I unflinchingly parrot the CDC and other hysterical bullshit. Not so :)!) > still got covid 2x Were there things you could have done differently not to catch it? Probably! In the spirit of "let everyone do what they want" then it follows directly that you agentively chose to put yourself in a position to catch and spread COVID. This is the main issue with libertarian-style arguments -- you accept full culpability if everything else is framed through the lens of agency. > https://clinicalinfo.hiv.gov/en/glossary/endemic https://clinicalinfo.hiv.gov/en/glossary/endemic Endemicity as you correctly point out is with relation to a particular population or region. That means more care needs to be put in to assigning particular viruses that status. HIV is not endemic to the US (it is in West Africa), neither is malaria (ditto but wider range) nor apparently COVID (of course, not yet, but the outcome is inevitable only if you act like it is). > Why is this cause special Because there's a lot of built-up infrastructure and society-wide attention on the problem, given the last couple years, which gives us a lot more leverage for having a strong effect on the outcome compared to something like a particular flu or rhinovirus. It's special because we're talking about this disease right now and not a different one. Seems obvious to me, but if ignoring reality makes you more comfortable then by all means. Just don't make your mistakes other peoples' problems.
- pcmoney 5y ago
  Nothing you are saying is justification for mandates. Im not a libertarian. My city is world famously liberal and highly vaxxed. I follow all mandates (mostly to not upset people) and have been more cautious than most due to immunocompromised family. I just dont think we should have “get vaccinated or lose your job” style mandates for vaccines with high individual but marginal communal benefit. Its a bad precedent and furthers politicization. Also mask mandates are never done sufficiently to be meaningful. The mandates that exist aren’t stringent enough now to be impactful and are ignored anyways.

uoaei 5y ago

> Ok so now what? We lock down society for a relatively benign virus Awwww, you made that little straw man just for me?! You're too kind... (Your first mistake is acting like there's only two sides to this, and because I advocate taking more care, then you think I unflinchingly parrot the CDC and other hysterical bullshit. Not so :)!) > still got covid 2x Were there things you could have done differently not to catch it? Probably! In the spirit of "let everyone do what they want" then it follows directly that you agentively chose to put yourself in a position to catch and spread COVID. This is the main issue with libertarian-style arguments -- you accept full culpability if everything else is framed through the lens of agency. > https://clinicalinfo.hiv.gov/en/glossary/endemic https://clinicalinfo.hiv.gov/en/glossary/endemic Endemicity as you correctly point out is with relation to a particular population or region. That means more care needs to be put in to assigning particular viruses that status. HIV is not endemic to the US (it is in West Africa), neither is malaria (ditto but wider range) nor apparently COVID (of course, not yet, but the outcome is inevitable only if you act like it is). > Why is this cause special Because there's a lot of built-up infrastructure and society-wide attention on the problem, given the last couple years, which gives us a lot more leverage for having a strong effect on the outcome compared to something like a particular flu or rhinovirus. It's special because we're talking about this disease right now and not a different one. Seems obvious to me, but if ignoring reality makes you more comfortable then by all means. Just don't make your mistakes other peoples' problems.

pcmoney 5y ago
Nothing you are saying is justification for mandates. Im not a libertarian. My city is world famously liberal and highly vaxxed. I follow all mandates (mostly to not upset people) and have been more cautious than most due to immunocompromised family. I just dont think we should have “get vaccinated or lose your job” style mandates for vaccines with high individual but marginal communal benefit. Its a bad precedent and furthers politicization. Also mask mandates are never done sufficiently to be meaningful. The mandates that exist aren’t stringent enough now to be impactful and are ignored anyways.