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I’ve never caught obesity by sitting next to someone. Have you?

by tchock23 5y ago

pcmoney 5y ago
Again, vaccines do not stop transmission or contagion
- reanimus 5y ago
  Where are you getting the information for this claim? The vaccines certainly reduce your chance of catching it, and though vaccinated individuals may have similar viral loads to unvaccinated people at peak, the period of time that they're infectious is shorter. [0] One study even suggests less infectiousness. [1] Where have you seen otherwise? [0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... [1] https://www.jwatch.org/na54386/2021/12/15/transmission-risk-sars-cov-2-infected-fully-vaccinated https://www.jwatch.org/na54386/2021/12/15/transmission-risk-...
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    Both of those studies predate the omnicron wave. The rate of transmission in fully vaccinated regions is still very high.
    - reanimus 5y ago
      This one [0] references omicron specifically, noting that though omicron is better at evading immunity, vaccines still helped. [0] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788485 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788485
      - pcmoney 5y ago
        So you’re in favor of mandates along the lines of “Get the vaccine or you are fired” for marginal benefits? Would you be ok if this precedent was extended to other prevention areas? Eg. Maintain social distancing or you are fired (protests of any kind are typically not socially distanced)
        drdeca 5y ago
        Wasn't this subthread was about your claim that getting vaccinated doesn't influence one's chance of infecting others? If you want to retreat to "ok, they probably do actually help a little bit with that, but I think the amount to which they help with that is small enough that [thing] isn't worth it.", then ok, but, like, I think you should probably make it explicit. (earlier, the topic was about like, health insurance, not employment, and so I'm using [thing] to cover both of those things.)

I’ve never caught obesity by sitting next to someone. Have you?

pcmoney 5y ago

Again, vaccines do not stop transmission or contagion

reanimus 5y ago
Where are you getting the information for this claim? The vaccines certainly reduce your chance of catching it, and though vaccinated individuals may have similar viral loads to unvaccinated people at peak, the period of time that they're infectious is shorter. [0] One study even suggests less infectiousness. [1] Where have you seen otherwise? [0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... [1] https://www.jwatch.org/na54386/2021/12/15/transmission-risk-sars-cov-2-infected-fully-vaccinated https://www.jwatch.org/na54386/2021/12/15/transmission-risk-...
- pcmoney 5y ago
  Both of those studies predate the omnicron wave. The rate of transmission in fully vaccinated regions is still very high.
  - reanimus 5y ago
    This one [0] references omicron specifically, noting that though omicron is better at evading immunity, vaccines still helped. [0] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788485 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788485
    - pcmoney 5y ago
      So you’re in favor of mandates along the lines of “Get the vaccine or you are fired” for marginal benefits? Would you be ok if this precedent was extended to other prevention areas? Eg. Maintain social distancing or you are fired (protests of any kind are typically not socially distanced)
      - drdeca 5y ago
        Wasn't this subthread was about your claim that getting vaccinated doesn't influence one's chance of infecting others? If you want to retreat to "ok, they probably do actually help a little bit with that, but I think the amount to which they help with that is small enough that [thing] isn't worth it.", then ok, but, like, I think you should probably make it explicit. (earlier, the topic was about like, health insurance, not employment, and so I'm using [thing] to cover both of those things.)