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Not endemic. Will you accept a formal assessment of endemicity from a PI at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization? See as of two weeks ago: https://tw

by uoaei 5y ago

Not endemic. Will you accept a formal assessment of endemicity from a PI at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization? See as of two weeks ago: https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1480899954163863553 https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/14808999541638635... Not interested in playing word games. Words mean things. Get over it. > [Vaccines] don’t stop you from getting [COVID] or transmitting it. This is a harmful framing. What ultimately matters is Rt < 1. Do vaccines get us closer to that? Yes. Does not breathing on each other help with that? Yes. Does avoiding indoor gatherings prevent us from breathing on each other? Yes. Do masks and adequate ventilation help us reduce the amount of exposure when contact is unavoidable? Yes. Ergo each of these factors contributes to reducing the reproduction rate of the virus when applied. Wow, the power of simple logical deductions. Try it sometime. Deliberately obfuscating truths by painting a false dichotomy is misinformation. Life doesn't go on for the multitudes of preventable deaths that have occurred and will occur because people like you continue to push false narratives.

mmmpop 5y ago
> Words mean things. Get over it. Oh man, lemme tell you about the last time I used that one in an unrelated but equally controversial topic... I was browbeaten out of the room. "Words mean things (when that is convenient for my argument!)"
- the_only_law 5y ago
  > "Words mean things (when that is convenient for my argument!)" This sort of idea sums up modern politics, or the entire history of it for all I know.
- uoaei 5y ago
  Anecdata? Supporting your pre-supposed conclusions?? Color me convinced!
pcmoney 5y ago
Ok so now what? We lock down society for a relatively benign virus whose more extreme outcomes are mostly ameliorated by vaccines and therapies? I am all for you encouraging people to vaccinate but if they don’t then that is their choice. (Me: triple vaxxed and still got covid 2x) There a millions of preventable deaths of many kinds every year. Why is this cause special (now today, not with our previous situation in 2020) Also: An endemic disease is a disease that is always present in a particular population/region. Ex. Flu, malaria, HIV, syphilis, and… COVID (When they do declare this an endemic next month do I get a prize?) Additionally we have never eliminated a coronavirus before. This isn’t smallpox/polio.
- uoaei 5y ago
  > Ok so now what? We lock down society for a relatively benign virus Awwww, you made that little straw man just for me?! You're too kind... (Your first mistake is acting like there's only two sides to this, and because I advocate taking more care, then you think I unflinchingly parrot the CDC and other hysterical bullshit. Not so :)!) > still got covid 2x Were there things you could have done differently not to catch it? Probably! In the spirit of "let everyone do what they want" then it follows directly that you agentively chose to put yourself in a position to catch and spread COVID. This is the main issue with libertarian-style arguments -- you accept full culpability if everything else is framed through the lens of agency. > https://clinicalinfo.hiv.gov/en/glossary/endemic https://clinicalinfo.hiv.gov/en/glossary/endemic Endemicity as you correctly point out is with relation to a particular population or region. That means more care needs to be put in to assigning particular viruses that status. HIV is not endemic to the US (it is in West Africa), neither is malaria (ditto but wider range) nor apparently COVID (of course, not yet, but the outcome is inevitable only if you act like it is). > Why is this cause special Because there's a lot of built-up infrastructure and society-wide attention on the problem, given the last couple years, which gives us a lot more leverage for having a strong effect on the outcome compared to something like a particular flu or rhinovirus. It's special because we're talking about this disease right now and not a different one. Seems obvious to me, but if ignoring reality makes you more comfortable then by all means. Just don't make your mistakes other peoples' problems.
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    Nothing you are saying is justification for mandates. Im not a libertarian. My city is world famously liberal and highly vaxxed. I follow all mandates (mostly to not upset people) and have been more cautious than most due to immunocompromised family. I just dont think we should have “get vaccinated or lose your job” style mandates for vaccines with high individual but marginal communal benefit. Its a bad precedent and furthers politicization. Also mask mandates are never done sufficiently to be meaningful. The mandates that exist aren’t stringent enough now to be impactful and are ignored anyways.

by uoaei 5y ago

mmmpop 5y ago

> Words mean things. Get over it. Oh man, lemme tell you about the last time I used that one in an unrelated but equally controversial topic... I was browbeaten out of the room. "Words mean things (when that is convenient for my argument!)"

the_only_law 5y ago
> "Words mean things (when that is convenient for my argument!)" This sort of idea sums up modern politics, or the entire history of it for all I know.
uoaei 5y ago
Anecdata? Supporting your pre-supposed conclusions?? Color me convinced!

pcmoney 5y ago

Ok so now what? We lock down society for a relatively benign virus whose more extreme outcomes are mostly ameliorated by vaccines and therapies? I am all for you encouraging people to vaccinate but if they don’t then that is their choice. (Me: triple vaxxed and still got covid 2x) There a millions of preventable deaths of many kinds every year. Why is this cause special (now today, not with our previous situation in 2020) Also: An endemic disease is a disease that is always present in a particular population/region. Ex. Flu, malaria, HIV, syphilis, and… COVID (When they do declare this an endemic next month do I get a prize?) Additionally we have never eliminated a coronavirus before. This isn’t smallpox/polio.

uoaei 5y ago
> Ok so now what? We lock down society for a relatively benign virus Awwww, you made that little straw man just for me?! You're too kind... (Your first mistake is acting like there's only two sides to this, and because I advocate taking more care, then you think I unflinchingly parrot the CDC and other hysterical bullshit. Not so :)!) > still got covid 2x Were there things you could have done differently not to catch it? Probably! In the spirit of "let everyone do what they want" then it follows directly that you agentively chose to put yourself in a position to catch and spread COVID. This is the main issue with libertarian-style arguments -- you accept full culpability if everything else is framed through the lens of agency. > https://clinicalinfo.hiv.gov/en/glossary/endemic https://clinicalinfo.hiv.gov/en/glossary/endemic Endemicity as you correctly point out is with relation to a particular population or region. That means more care needs to be put in to assigning particular viruses that status. HIV is not endemic to the US (it is in West Africa), neither is malaria (ditto but wider range) nor apparently COVID (of course, not yet, but the outcome is inevitable only if you act like it is). > Why is this cause special Because there's a lot of built-up infrastructure and society-wide attention on the problem, given the last couple years, which gives us a lot more leverage for having a strong effect on the outcome compared to something like a particular flu or rhinovirus. It's special because we're talking about this disease right now and not a different one. Seems obvious to me, but if ignoring reality makes you more comfortable then by all means. Just don't make your mistakes other peoples' problems.
- pcmoney 5y ago
  Nothing you are saying is justification for mandates. Im not a libertarian. My city is world famously liberal and highly vaxxed. I follow all mandates (mostly to not upset people) and have been more cautious than most due to immunocompromised family. I just dont think we should have “get vaccinated or lose your job” style mandates for vaccines with high individual but marginal communal benefit. Its a bad precedent and furthers politicization. Also mask mandates are never done sufficiently to be meaningful. The mandates that exist aren’t stringent enough now to be impactful and are ignored anyways.