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This is cool and definitely something I'm going to look into! But I have a question for the frontend people. Is server-side rendering + ~Bootstrap + ~jQuery r

This is cool and definitely something I'm going to look into! But I have a question for the frontend people. Is server-side rendering + ~Bootstrap + ~jQuery really getting you into that much trouble? Even with peppering in some HTMX [0]? I do all my projects with Django + Bootstrap + jQuery + (maybe HTMX if needed) and I've never heard any kind of feedback from anyone that suggests I should be doing anything else. [0] https://htmx.org/ https://htmx.org/

sawka 5y ago
A couple of problems that are hard to solve with server side rendering are: modals, data tables (sorting, pagination, etc.), form validation, dropdowns, etc. htmx can you get you a lot of those use cases. But, once there are Hibiki libraries that offer that type of functionality, the Hibiki code should be more encapsulated and easier to just plug-n-play.
svachalek 5y ago
There's no one solution. The kind of solution you're talking about is great for many purposes, maybe the majority, and it's kind of a shame so many sites and apps went to heavy JS, SPA type frameworks. But on the other hand, a true app like Google Spreadsheets would be completely insane to implement in jQuery.
- VWWHFSfQ 5y ago
  As far as I know, Google Spreadsheets isn't implemented in web tech anyway. It's implemented in GWT [0] (Java transpiled to JavaScript) [0] https://support.google.com/code/answer/54830?hl=en https://support.google.com/code/answer/54830?hl=en
- sawka 5y ago
  It all goes back to the release of Gmail in 2004. It changed the web forever. Since then if your frontend isn't "dynamic" or AJAX-y, it feels "old" or only for engineers. Hibiki is a reaction to the crazy amount of scaffolding and specific knowledge that is now required to make frontend apps! I had good engineers on my team that all know HTML and can write tables, forms, buttons, etc. but they don't know JS. It was such a PITA to hook them up with a frontend engineer to write a React app to make their frontend look pretty (so the non-technical folks could use their tools). Days were lost in the process. Hibiki is my solution to this problem. A simple framework that doesn't require in-depth JS knowledge but (with the right libraries) can get you good looking credible apps. Scaffolding is crazy too. I can write a one file python script to output a heredoc with HTML to render some output data. To make that a 'modern' app with create-react-app I'd have to add a whole repository of files and tooling. Hibiki can get you most of what you want right inline.

sawka 5y ago

A couple of problems that are hard to solve with server side rendering are: modals, data tables (sorting, pagination, etc.), form validation, dropdowns, etc. htmx can you get you a lot of those use cases. But, once there are Hibiki libraries that offer that type of functionality, the Hibiki code should be more encapsulated and easier to just plug-n-play.

svachalek 5y ago

There's no one solution. The kind of solution you're talking about is great for many purposes, maybe the majority, and it's kind of a shame so many sites and apps went to heavy JS, SPA type frameworks. But on the other hand, a true app like Google Spreadsheets would be completely insane to implement in jQuery.

VWWHFSfQ 5y ago
As far as I know, Google Spreadsheets isn't implemented in web tech anyway. It's implemented in GWT [0] (Java transpiled to JavaScript) [0] https://support.google.com/code/answer/54830?hl=en https://support.google.com/code/answer/54830?hl=en
sawka 5y ago
It all goes back to the release of Gmail in 2004. It changed the web forever. Since then if your frontend isn't "dynamic" or AJAX-y, it feels "old" or only for engineers. Hibiki is a reaction to the crazy amount of scaffolding and specific knowledge that is now required to make frontend apps! I had good engineers on my team that all know HTML and can write tables, forms, buttons, etc. but they don't know JS. It was such a PITA to hook them up with a frontend engineer to write a React app to make their frontend look pretty (so the non-technical folks could use their tools). Days were lost in the process. Hibiki is my solution to this problem. A simple framework that doesn't require in-depth JS knowledge but (with the right libraries) can get you good looking credible apps. Scaffolding is crazy too. I can write a one file python script to output a heredoc with HTML to render some output data. To make that a 'modern' app with create-react-app I'd have to add a whole repository of files and tooling. Hibiki can get you most of what you want right inline.