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I'm little confused that this is a popular news at HN. They fight for Internet stuff but they also deny that there was an Holocaust in Germany. For me this is

by oemera 15y ago

I'm little confused that this is a popular news at HN. They fight for Internet stuff but they also deny that there was an Holocaust in Germany. For me this is pretty bad news to hear that they will get into the parliament. Source for denying the holocaust: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fixmbr.de%2Fquo-vadis-piratenpartei%2F http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js...

bitboxer 15y ago
To be fair that was only one member and that member has been thrown out of the party a long time ago.
- Tichy 15y ago
  Also, while I didn't follow it too closely, I suspect it was more a case of extreme free thinking (question everything, don't believe anything) rather than right wing extremism.
loevborg 15y ago
I don't think this is valid criticism of the party in its current state. If you can't give any evidence other than a post from two years ago based on a Twitter message (!), we can assume that, if someone denied the Holocaust, that was the opinion of a single individual. All established parties have nutters; what counts is how the parties deal with them once the nutters make their nutty views public.
- morsch 15y ago
  It's based on more than merely a Twitter statement, and as far as I can tell, the guy is still a member (though he has no more official responsibilities). Aaron König, another prominent (in his case: former) pirate had his own crude and/or right-wing extremist views. He now spreads them from a new populist right-wing platform of the Geert Wilders kind. Despicable people, all around. All that said, I agree that it's unfair to condemn the PP because of those individuals. They're far from the norm.
- oemera 15y ago
  Here you have an other one from Bodo Thiesen, who is still active in the Pirate Party: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftarzun.de%2Farchives%2F360-Was-macht-eigentlich...Bodo-Thiesen.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js...
codecaine 15y ago
the Pirate Party is a very liberal party and as such attracts all kinds of people with varying viewpoints. Im pretty sure that holocaust denial is not the norm.
- oemera 15y ago
  Even if it would be just A SINGLE PERSON who is denying the holocaust we should fought it. But I see that some people want to have better internet rights and willing to forget the most tragic event in the human history. You can down vote me as much as you like but I will never give my vote to a party who has member who are just lying like that. AND YEAH he is still active in the Piraten party. Source from december 2010: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftarzun.de%2Farchives%2F360-Was-macht-eigentlich...Bodo-Thiesen.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js...
  - icebraining 15y ago
    But I see that some people want to have better internet rights and willing to forget the most tragic event in the human history. So you'd support a party who censored its members' and didn't support freedom of expression? You're right, maybe PP isn't right for you.
    - oemera 15y ago
      Freedom of Expression is one thing but lying and denying a horrific fact is another. Are you saying that it is ok to denying the holocaust in Germany only cause every one should freedom of expression? I'm no friend of censorship but this has nothing to do with censoring this is just to protect the truth and the history. Such an horrific event shouldn't be forgotten neither should it be "over simplified to show it as it was ok cause there was no holocaust at all"! If you think this kind of stuff is ok then you should really really overthink what you are doing there. I would like to see how you want to explain the families who lost members in the holocaust this "freedom of expression" statement!
coldarchon 15y ago
There's a party fighting for freedom of all information of any kind and someone who criticizes that there's one exception for freedom of opinion immediately becomes a denier? What are you? A zionist? A Nazi-hunter? Give me a break. If you want to fight fascists and become one yourself, you failed ..

by oemera 15y ago

bitboxer 15y ago

To be fair that was only one member and that member has been thrown out of the party a long time ago.

Tichy 15y ago
Also, while I didn't follow it too closely, I suspect it was more a case of extreme free thinking (question everything, don't believe anything) rather than right wing extremism.

loevborg 15y ago

I don't think this is valid criticism of the party in its current state. If you can't give any evidence other than a post from two years ago based on a Twitter message (!), we can assume that, if someone denied the Holocaust, that was the opinion of a single individual. All established parties have nutters; what counts is how the parties deal with them once the nutters make their nutty views public.

morsch 15y ago
It's based on more than merely a Twitter statement, and as far as I can tell, the guy is still a member (though he has no more official responsibilities). Aaron König, another prominent (in his case: former) pirate had his own crude and/or right-wing extremist views. He now spreads them from a new populist right-wing platform of the Geert Wilders kind. Despicable people, all around. All that said, I agree that it's unfair to condemn the PP because of those individuals. They're far from the norm.
oemera 15y ago
Here you have an other one from Bodo Thiesen, who is still active in the Pirate Party: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftarzun.de%2Farchives%2F360-Was-macht-eigentlich...Bodo-Thiesen.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js...

codecaine 15y ago

the Pirate Party is a very liberal party and as such attracts all kinds of people with varying viewpoints. Im pretty sure that holocaust denial is not the norm.

oemera 15y ago
Even if it would be just A SINGLE PERSON who is denying the holocaust we should fought it. But I see that some people want to have better internet rights and willing to forget the most tragic event in the human history. You can down vote me as much as you like but I will never give my vote to a party who has member who are just lying like that. AND YEAH he is still active in the Piraten party. Source from december 2010: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftarzun.de%2Farchives%2F360-Was-macht-eigentlich...Bodo-Thiesen.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js...
- icebraining 15y ago
  But I see that some people want to have better internet rights and willing to forget the most tragic event in the human history. So you'd support a party who censored its members' and didn't support freedom of expression? You're right, maybe PP isn't right for you.
  - oemera 15y ago
    Freedom of Expression is one thing but lying and denying a horrific fact is another. Are you saying that it is ok to denying the holocaust in Germany only cause every one should freedom of expression? I'm no friend of censorship but this has nothing to do with censoring this is just to protect the truth and the history. Such an horrific event shouldn't be forgotten neither should it be "over simplified to show it as it was ok cause there was no holocaust at all"! If you think this kind of stuff is ok then you should really really overthink what you are doing there. I would like to see how you want to explain the families who lost members in the holocaust this "freedom of expression" statement!

coldarchon 15y ago

There's a party fighting for freedom of all information of any kind and someone who criticizes that there's one exception for freedom of opinion immediately becomes a denier? What are you? A zionist? A Nazi-hunter? Give me a break. If you want to fight fascists and become one yourself, you failed ..