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jb1991 5y ago
Just wish the quality control was the same as in the Jobs era.
- threeseed 5y ago
  This is nothing but revisionist history. Many Apple products in particular OSX was pretty bad during Jobs era.
- aetherspawn 5y ago
  I have never bought an Apple device that so much as had a spec of dust in the box. But I’ve never had a Dell or HP laptop come without a bezel scratch or something like that. So in my books, Apple are still a league ahead on quality, even.
  - jb1991 5y ago
    I’m talking about myriad software bugs.
    - joering2 5y ago
      it blows my mind every day how they screwed up somewhat very good native mail client. once I've updated to iOS14, daily: - my mail will disappear. I would open a folder and see emails from 2007 at the top... wait and see he is loading them again and more are popping up.. takes few minutes to catch up with 2021. - my contacts will not work when I start typing email. literally sometimes the do sometimes they don't - emails that previously were formatted well, would be crashing with odd CSS issues I never seen before - I would click email.. start reading, then it would shift to the next email.. on its own! - I had few emails automatically disappear for good... only to find them in trash folder. Its a disaster. A classical situation where after a system update I'm banging my head against the wall "why the heck did I do that??"
      - tomxor 5y ago
        I really hate promoting Steve Jobs as some kind of miracle worker - But I swear there is a correlation between his death and the hard to quantify decline of software quality at Apple since. I clearly remember at the time all of the rampant speculation about the downfall of Apple and thinking it's all bullshit, that the people doing the real work are still there and still care and his absence would make little difference, which was true immediately, but gradually over the last decade? perhaps individual work ethic is not enough in a large megacorporate structure to overcome corporate pressures. Perhaps, in such a large structure you really do need someone pushy and particular enough at the top to get emotional and pissed at people when small details suck to prevent it adding up over time.
  - hotpotamus 5y ago
    My 12" Macbook's keyboard basically never worked and then the battery decided it wasn't happy and decided to bloat out which pushed out the bottom panel of the laptop. Really put me off their laptops, though I'm still a fan of iOS devices.
  - tomxor 5y ago
    > I have never bought an Apple device that so much as had a spec of dust in the box Of course not! If there was dust it would immediately brick the keyboard.
- jobu 5y ago
  It's not like there weren't issues then as well - https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/steve-jobs-says-youre-holding-it-wrong-3573705.html https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/steve-jobs-says...
  - jb1991 5y ago
    Yeah but those were exceptions. I’m talking about constant new bugs in operating system or software.
    - wiredfool 5y ago
      Like every odd numbered version of OS X? Leopard in particular. (I will say one thing about leopard, I iinstalled a boot disk of it on an intel machine and I was able to boot an old ppc mini. That was impressive at the time)
- dewey 5y ago
  There were big quality issues in that era too, we just don't remember them so well. Antenna-gate, the PowerBooks that basically barbecued your legs,...
  - CameronBanga 5y ago
    Don't forget MobileMe.
  - neximo64 5y ago
    Except they were fixed and fixed quickly. The MobileMe team had a battering session with SJ once.. I don't think Steve Jobs would let a 'Your battery is under 10%', 'interruptive' notification stay this long on a phone. If you took out a screenshot of system preferences from OS X tiger or something and compared it to today, see how easy it is to find things on that one. Even with simple things such as the wording of 'General' vs 'Appearance'.
    - threeseed 5y ago
      > I don't think Steve Jobs would let a 'Your battery is under 10%', 'interruptive' notification stay this long on a phone. Why not ? He was happy with the giant, interruptive volume overlay for all those years.
      - neximo64 5y ago
        You're doing something to initiate that, vs the battery one that interrupts your workflow without an action taken on your part.
- jhickok 5y ago
  I haven't had issues with hardware other than the butterfly keyboard, but I have been astounded at issues with first-party software. For the last 48 hours podcasts have just not worked on my iPhone 13 Pro Max, for instance. Apple Music is a disaster. This might not be a QA really but OS updates have introduced bugs and constant crashes for those products for me.
- wiredfool 5y ago
  The tibooks whose paint rubbed off from wrist rubbing? With the flexy keyboards? And the dvd drive that would flex into the disk if your wrist was resting above it? The 1st gen intel MacBooks which had a heat pipe that would short out the system when it got warm? The 24” iMacs that would cook the hard drive after 2 years due to bad thermals? (And eventually, the backlight too).
MattGaiser 5y ago
I don't want to have to configure anything. I don't want to deal with setting things up. I don't want to deal with the mediocrity of every other company out there. I just want a phone that works well, works with everything (virtually nobody builds serious apps just for Android and not iOS), and allows me to go about the rest of my day with ease.

jb1991 5y ago

Just wish the quality control was the same as in the Jobs era.

threeseed 5y ago
This is nothing but revisionist history. Many Apple products in particular OSX was pretty bad during Jobs era.
aetherspawn 5y ago
I have never bought an Apple device that so much as had a spec of dust in the box. But I’ve never had a Dell or HP laptop come without a bezel scratch or something like that. So in my books, Apple are still a league ahead on quality, even.
- jb1991 5y ago
  I’m talking about myriad software bugs.
  - joering2 5y ago
    it blows my mind every day how they screwed up somewhat very good native mail client. once I've updated to iOS14, daily: - my mail will disappear. I would open a folder and see emails from 2007 at the top... wait and see he is loading them again and more are popping up.. takes few minutes to catch up with 2021. - my contacts will not work when I start typing email. literally sometimes the do sometimes they don't - emails that previously were formatted well, would be crashing with odd CSS issues I never seen before - I would click email.. start reading, then it would shift to the next email.. on its own! - I had few emails automatically disappear for good... only to find them in trash folder. Its a disaster. A classical situation where after a system update I'm banging my head against the wall "why the heck did I do that??"
    - tomxor 5y ago
      I really hate promoting Steve Jobs as some kind of miracle worker - But I swear there is a correlation between his death and the hard to quantify decline of software quality at Apple since. I clearly remember at the time all of the rampant speculation about the downfall of Apple and thinking it's all bullshit, that the people doing the real work are still there and still care and his absence would make little difference, which was true immediately, but gradually over the last decade? perhaps individual work ethic is not enough in a large megacorporate structure to overcome corporate pressures. Perhaps, in such a large structure you really do need someone pushy and particular enough at the top to get emotional and pissed at people when small details suck to prevent it adding up over time.
- hotpotamus 5y ago
  My 12" Macbook's keyboard basically never worked and then the battery decided it wasn't happy and decided to bloat out which pushed out the bottom panel of the laptop. Really put me off their laptops, though I'm still a fan of iOS devices.
- tomxor 5y ago
  > I have never bought an Apple device that so much as had a spec of dust in the box Of course not! If there was dust it would immediately brick the keyboard.
jobu 5y ago
It's not like there weren't issues then as well - https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/steve-jobs-says-youre-holding-it-wrong-3573705.html https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/steve-jobs-says...
- jb1991 5y ago
  Yeah but those were exceptions. I’m talking about constant new bugs in operating system or software.
  - wiredfool 5y ago
    Like every odd numbered version of OS X? Leopard in particular. (I will say one thing about leopard, I iinstalled a boot disk of it on an intel machine and I was able to boot an old ppc mini. That was impressive at the time)
dewey 5y ago
There were big quality issues in that era too, we just don't remember them so well. Antenna-gate, the PowerBooks that basically barbecued your legs,...
- CameronBanga 5y ago
  Don't forget MobileMe.
- neximo64 5y ago
  Except they were fixed and fixed quickly. The MobileMe team had a battering session with SJ once.. I don't think Steve Jobs would let a 'Your battery is under 10%', 'interruptive' notification stay this long on a phone. If you took out a screenshot of system preferences from OS X tiger or something and compared it to today, see how easy it is to find things on that one. Even with simple things such as the wording of 'General' vs 'Appearance'.
  - threeseed 5y ago
    > I don't think Steve Jobs would let a 'Your battery is under 10%', 'interruptive' notification stay this long on a phone. Why not ? He was happy with the giant, interruptive volume overlay for all those years.
    - neximo64 5y ago
      You're doing something to initiate that, vs the battery one that interrupts your workflow without an action taken on your part.
jhickok 5y ago
I haven't had issues with hardware other than the butterfly keyboard, but I have been astounded at issues with first-party software. For the last 48 hours podcasts have just not worked on my iPhone 13 Pro Max, for instance. Apple Music is a disaster. This might not be a QA really but OS updates have introduced bugs and constant crashes for those products for me.
wiredfool 5y ago
The tibooks whose paint rubbed off from wrist rubbing? With the flexy keyboards? And the dvd drive that would flex into the disk if your wrist was resting above it? The 1st gen intel MacBooks which had a heat pipe that would short out the system when it got warm? The 24” iMacs that would cook the hard drive after 2 years due to bad thermals? (And eventually, the backlight too).

I don't want to have to configure anything. I don't want to deal with setting things up. I don't want to deal with the mediocrity of every other company out there. I just want a phone that works well, works with everything (virtually nobody builds serious apps just for Android and not iOS), and allows me to go about the rest of my day with ease.