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It's amazing to me how long 100K years are ~1-2 million years ago humans "invented" fire. ~12'000 years ago we invented agriculture. ~4'500 years ago the pyra

It's amazing to me how long 100K years are ~1-2 million years ago humans "invented" fire. ~12'000 years ago we invented agriculture. ~4'500 years ago the pyramids were built. Will human civilization even exist in 100'000 years, or will humans consider moving to the solar system next door because it has become so advanced of a civilization? All the while since 2022 some reactor fuel has been degrading in a some random hole in the country then named Sweden.

nabla9 5y ago
Finland, Sweden and Canada have areas of very stable granite that is 3 billion years old with few cracks. The granite is older than multicellular life, atmospheric oxygen event, or multicellular life. Those are good places to store nuclear waste.
pojzon 5y ago
The two most possible outcomes are: - Our civilisation collapses and there will be not much future without advanced technology - We create AI that takes over the world trying to save humans from our own stupidity (we become pets) Ofcourse we can also: - Miraculously move further in evolution, put aside our differences, start working as a collective (but I highly doubt that)
- johanneskanybal 5y ago
  We're already working together for all practical purposes. I get it's often unchallenged when people are overly negative about the future especially in a younger crowd but you're not doing yourself or us any favors and your options seem ludicrous.
  - animal_spirits 5y ago
    Right. Humans are working together more than they have ever in our history
  - pojzon 5y ago
    I wouldn't call that being negative. It's being realistic looking at what our "leaders" are focusing on. Climate change or world pollution or population disproporties are three topics that need immediate action under rigor and force. Most estimations I'm aware of predict we will miss all of our deadlines. Young people don't have to be the most intelligent ppl on the planet to be able to read what scientists that are experts in the field with tens of years of experience have to say. And they pretty much have consensus. Few scientists can be wrong, but if vast majority of them agrees on something -> there is a pretty high chance they are right. The situation we are in right now with information about it being at hand causes young ppl to be constantly depressed. The sole result of that will be devastating for the future. Even if our predictions prove themselves to be wrong and all will be dandy. I'm not gonna even talk about geopolitical issues we are currently struggling with.
    - johanneskanybal 5y ago
      Do you see the gap between "all will be dandy" and "we will be ai-pets or civilisation will collapse"? Everything will not be dandy, human progress is a messy thing, not solving inequality or climate concerns will cause a lot of issues, agreed. Being a defeatist about it and extrapolating missed climate goals to total defeat is neither constructive or true.
      - pojzon 5y ago
        Everyone knows its going to be a slow process. Children of my children are going to face issues like climate migrants or health system collapse. This taking time doesnt change anything. Fact is that world in a hundred of years will look ALOT worse that it does now. The same it looks worse now in comparison to 30 years ago. Human race never had to think about solving issues we have now. We finally hit the moment in our evolution where the only way ro solve those kind of issues is to either: - make miraclous breakthrough in science (like cold fussion) - all human beings on the planet change mindsets and we become one nation I simply dont see that happening. We are too early in evolution cycle (at least most of us are).
        5y ago
jezze 5y ago
Nitpicking a bit. Humans (as in homo sapiens) have only existed for roughly 300k years. The use of fire was invented by earlier species but the timeframe you mention is probably correct.

nabla9 5y ago

Finland, Sweden and Canada have areas of very stable granite that is 3 billion years old with few cracks. The granite is older than multicellular life, atmospheric oxygen event, or multicellular life. Those are good places to store nuclear waste.

pojzon 5y ago

The two most possible outcomes are: - Our civilisation collapses and there will be not much future without advanced technology - We create AI that takes over the world trying to save humans from our own stupidity (we become pets) Ofcourse we can also: - Miraculously move further in evolution, put aside our differences, start working as a collective (but I highly doubt that)

johanneskanybal 5y ago
We're already working together for all practical purposes. I get it's often unchallenged when people are overly negative about the future especially in a younger crowd but you're not doing yourself or us any favors and your options seem ludicrous.
- animal_spirits 5y ago
  Right. Humans are working together more than they have ever in our history
- pojzon 5y ago
  I wouldn't call that being negative. It's being realistic looking at what our "leaders" are focusing on. Climate change or world pollution or population disproporties are three topics that need immediate action under rigor and force. Most estimations I'm aware of predict we will miss all of our deadlines. Young people don't have to be the most intelligent ppl on the planet to be able to read what scientists that are experts in the field with tens of years of experience have to say. And they pretty much have consensus. Few scientists can be wrong, but if vast majority of them agrees on something -> there is a pretty high chance they are right. The situation we are in right now with information about it being at hand causes young ppl to be constantly depressed. The sole result of that will be devastating for the future. Even if our predictions prove themselves to be wrong and all will be dandy. I'm not gonna even talk about geopolitical issues we are currently struggling with.
  - johanneskanybal 5y ago
    Do you see the gap between "all will be dandy" and "we will be ai-pets or civilisation will collapse"? Everything will not be dandy, human progress is a messy thing, not solving inequality or climate concerns will cause a lot of issues, agreed. Being a defeatist about it and extrapolating missed climate goals to total defeat is neither constructive or true.
    - pojzon 5y ago
      Everyone knows its going to be a slow process. Children of my children are going to face issues like climate migrants or health system collapse. This taking time doesnt change anything. Fact is that world in a hundred of years will look ALOT worse that it does now. The same it looks worse now in comparison to 30 years ago. Human race never had to think about solving issues we have now. We finally hit the moment in our evolution where the only way ro solve those kind of issues is to either: - make miraclous breakthrough in science (like cold fussion) - all human beings on the planet change mindsets and we become one nation I simply dont see that happening. We are too early in evolution cycle (at least most of us are).
      - 5y ago

jezze 5y ago

Nitpicking a bit. Humans (as in homo sapiens) have only existed for roughly 300k years. The use of fire was invented by earlier species but the timeframe you mention is probably correct.