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Wait, so theres been a prevailing thing about "censorship" and "platforms are allowed to dictate what content they host" are we now moving onto "private citize

Wait, so theres been a prevailing thing about "censorship" and "platforms are allowed to dictate what content they host" are we now moving onto "private citizens are not allowed to dictate where their content is served from?"

floren 5y ago
Perhaps rather, if you pull up stakes every time someone else on the same platform announces they prefer grape jelly over strawberry (fucking animals!), pretty soon you're going to have N platforms for N people. Which I suppose is one possible Fediverse end-game: millions of individual platforms, federating and un-federating on a daily basis as people discover that someone they thought was cool actually voted for McCain in 2008.
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  Yes, if you carefully pare away every bit of context then it's true that nothing makes any sense. In actual real life though it's not the difference between flavors of goddamn jelly, it's a serious moral concern for a lot of people. Similarly it's not even a matter of forgiveness, or permanently staining someone's reputation over one action many years ago. These actions are ongoing and Rogan hasn't repented of them. If you believe they cause harm then you probably also believe they are currently causing ongoing harm. Which is a situation with different considerations than "someone did something bad a long time ago".
JasonFruit 5y ago
Nobody said anything about not allowing people to dictate who can distribute their art. Why must we take every "you shouldn't do this" statement to mean "you shouldn't be allowed to do this?"
- halostatue 5y ago
  Europe has a concept for copyright that is not recognized in the U.S.: moral rights. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/08/04/10-ways-eu-copyright-is-different-from-the-us/ https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/08/04/10-ways-eu-copyri... > 2: Moral Rights > Moral rights are the rights of an artist to claim authorship in their work (IE: Right to attribution), object to offensive or derogatory treatment of the work, including destroying it. > Though moral rights are a part of the Berne Convention, of which the U.S. is a signatory, the U.S. never fully implemented moral rights into their code. Instead, it passed the Visual Artists Rights Act (VARA) a law that extended moral rights to an extremely limited subset of visual works. > As with fair use, this limited view on moral rights is another uniquely American element. Copyright holders in the EU enjoy much broader more rights. However, this is true in much of the rest of the world as well.
mc32 5y ago
Nope. It wasn’t: “Hey Spotify, I want off your platform” I was: “Hey Spotify! It’s me or him, you pick”

floren 5y ago

Perhaps rather, if you pull up stakes every time someone else on the same platform announces they prefer grape jelly over strawberry (fucking animals!), pretty soon you're going to have N platforms for N people. Which I suppose is one possible Fediverse end-game: millions of individual platforms, federating and un-federating on a daily basis as people discover that someone they thought was cool actually voted for McCain in 2008.

giraffe_lady 5y ago
Yes, if you carefully pare away every bit of context then it's true that nothing makes any sense. In actual real life though it's not the difference between flavors of goddamn jelly, it's a serious moral concern for a lot of people. Similarly it's not even a matter of forgiveness, or permanently staining someone's reputation over one action many years ago. These actions are ongoing and Rogan hasn't repented of them. If you believe they cause harm then you probably also believe they are currently causing ongoing harm. Which is a situation with different considerations than "someone did something bad a long time ago".

JasonFruit 5y ago

Nobody said anything about not allowing people to dictate who can distribute their art. Why must we take every "you shouldn't do this" statement to mean "you shouldn't be allowed to do this?"

halostatue 5y ago
Europe has a concept for copyright that is not recognized in the U.S.: moral rights. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/08/04/10-ways-eu-copyright-is-different-from-the-us/ https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/08/04/10-ways-eu-copyri... > 2: Moral Rights > Moral rights are the rights of an artist to claim authorship in their work (IE: Right to attribution), object to offensive or derogatory treatment of the work, including destroying it. > Though moral rights are a part of the Berne Convention, of which the U.S. is a signatory, the U.S. never fully implemented moral rights into their code. Instead, it passed the Visual Artists Rights Act (VARA) a law that extended moral rights to an extremely limited subset of visual works. > As with fair use, this limited view on moral rights is another uniquely American element. Copyright holders in the EU enjoy much broader more rights. However, this is true in much of the rest of the world as well.

mc32 5y ago

Nope. It wasn’t: “Hey Spotify, I want off your platform” I was: “Hey Spotify! It’s me or him, you pick”