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>If I'm saying anything, I'm saying we should do what the collective expert institutions tell us (and stop listening to individuals, regardless of how qualified

>If I'm saying anything, I'm saying we should do what the collective expert institutions tell us (and stop listening to individuals, regardless of how qualified), and those institutions are generally sticking with the, "keep masking, kids!" message. This just isn't true. Just the other day Sweden decided that they will not be recommending the vax for kids under 11 [1], and the UK has ended their mask mandates all together. The US is part of a select club that is actively ignoring what the data says about how effective these intrusive measures really are. There's other examples from all over the world and their covid outcomes are better that the US, largely because so many in the US were simply unhealthy, out of shape, and fat which weakens your immune system. Taking your strategy will do much to weaken the general populous' trust in these institutions. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-recommending-covid-vaccines-kids-aged-5-12-2022-01-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-...

TameAntelope 5y ago
It is absolutely true: The CDC does. [0]. So does the Mayo Clinic [1]. So does the Cleveland Clinic [2]. So does Johns Hopkins [3]. So does the American Academy of Pediatrics [4]. And the WHO does suggest many children wear masks. [5] If you don't trust even one of these institutions over your own judgement, you are failing to participate successfully in society. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/k-12-guidance.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-... [1] https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/ https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-ki... [2] https://my.clevelandclinic.org/-/scassets/files/org/employer-solutions/covid-19-education-guide.pdf https://my.clevelandclinic.org/-/scassets/files/org/employer... [3] https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/ACH-News/General-News/Kids-and-COVID-19-Update https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/ACH-News/General-News/Ki... [4] https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/ https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19... [5] https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cor...
- remarkEon 5y ago
  I'm making a point that the US is unique in this regard, and few other countries are being this draconian about masking kids. TFA notes that the CDC's own data don't lead to the conclusion that these measures do much of anything, and the measures actively ignore the other potential developmental effects on e.g. language processing. Those clinic articles (they're articles, written by what looks like some random communications staffer, not official guidance or studies) just reference CDC guidance. If you look at what the WHO is actually recommending - ignoring how piss poor their guidance has been thus far - it's way more nuanced than you are implying. I don't really care to reiterate the CDC's own studies cited in TFA, as you and many others seem convinced that we should be masking indefinitely, even after the pandemic "ends". >If you don't trust even one of these institutions over your own judgement, you are failing to participate successfully in society. Okay then cast me out? What a weird sentiment. Blind faith in institutions seems unwise.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    Firstly, who said anything about faith, let alone blind faith? These institutions are constantly on the forefront of public health policy, and have an overwhelming number of credentials and positive track records that justify trusting them to speak accurately. There is no faith here, only earned trust. Secondly, you yourself said the US is uniquely vulnerable. Are you now saying it’s not? You can try to strawman all you like, the unavoidable fact is that the institutions with the most credibility in the world are speaking with one voice: mask your children before sending them back to school, and that schools should enforce mask wearing to reduce covid transmission rates.

TameAntelope 5y ago

It is absolutely true: The CDC does. [0]. So does the Mayo Clinic [1]. So does the Cleveland Clinic [2]. So does Johns Hopkins [3]. So does the American Academy of Pediatrics [4]. And the WHO does suggest many children wear masks. [5] If you don't trust even one of these institutions over your own judgement, you are failing to participate successfully in society. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/k-12-guidance.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-... [1] https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/ https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-ki... [2] https://my.clevelandclinic.org/-/scassets/files/org/employer-solutions/covid-19-education-guide.pdf https://my.clevelandclinic.org/-/scassets/files/org/employer... [3] https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/ACH-News/General-News/Kids-and-COVID-19-Update https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/ACH-News/General-News/Ki... [4] https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/ https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19... [5] https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cor...

remarkEon 5y ago
I'm making a point that the US is unique in this regard, and few other countries are being this draconian about masking kids. TFA notes that the CDC's own data don't lead to the conclusion that these measures do much of anything, and the measures actively ignore the other potential developmental effects on e.g. language processing. Those clinic articles (they're articles, written by what looks like some random communications staffer, not official guidance or studies) just reference CDC guidance. If you look at what the WHO is actually recommending - ignoring how piss poor their guidance has been thus far - it's way more nuanced than you are implying. I don't really care to reiterate the CDC's own studies cited in TFA, as you and many others seem convinced that we should be masking indefinitely, even after the pandemic "ends". >If you don't trust even one of these institutions over your own judgement, you are failing to participate successfully in society. Okay then cast me out? What a weird sentiment. Blind faith in institutions seems unwise.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  Firstly, who said anything about faith, let alone blind faith? These institutions are constantly on the forefront of public health policy, and have an overwhelming number of credentials and positive track records that justify trusting them to speak accurately. There is no faith here, only earned trust. Secondly, you yourself said the US is uniquely vulnerable. Are you now saying it’s not? You can try to strawman all you like, the unavoidable fact is that the institutions with the most credibility in the world are speaking with one voice: mask your children before sending them back to school, and that schools should enforce mask wearing to reduce covid transmission rates.