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The article points out that children have been relatively safe from COVID, which is true. The article doesn’t really cite much data to support its case. The stu

The article points out that children have been relatively safe from COVID, which is true. The article doesn’t really cite much data to support its case. The studies it cites show a positive benefit to masking that it fails to counter. What it also completely ignores is that the masks are mainly to protect teachers and the children’s older guardians and care takers. I’m tired of anti-maskers.

uoaei 5y ago
Children are safe from having debilitating symptoms due to COVID. I think it's worth being precise with language because the shorthand has been confusing for many people and used as a bludgeon in the reopening-schools-debate. But of course the real issue is children getting COVID from family, bringing it to school, spreading it to other kids who then give it to other parents. I have not seen analyses which attempt to quantify the effect of closing schools while taking this into account, but I'm sure they're out there.
- TheCoelacanth 5y ago
  Also spreading it to their teachers, who are usually adults and who usually don't want to get deadly diseases and may not be willing to work without some precautions going towards their safety.
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    The virus is endemic, we are all going to get it sooner or later.
    - uoaei 5y ago
      No it is not and no we are not. You are advocating the sacrifice of lives which are not your own, which is unequivocally reprehensible.
      - pcmoney 5y ago
        It is endemic. Its everywhere. Its mutating. Humanity has never stopped the spread of similar coronaviruses and even if we could the death rate/risk is not bad enough to justify the cost (this isnt smallpox/polio) We have vaccines. They don’t stop you from getting it or transmitting it. They do lower probability of the vaccinated person getting severe/fatal covid. Clearly a personal health decision that should not be mandated (although I would encourage it) Mask are of marginal help. Mandates dont change actual behavior. Life goes on. (Me: triple vaxxed and have had Covid 2x)
        uoaei 5y ago
        Not endemic. Will you accept a formal assessment of endemicity from a PI at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization? See as of two weeks ago: https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1480899954163863553 https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/14808999541638635... Not interested in playing word games. Words mean things. Get over it. > [Vaccines] don’t stop you from getting [COVID] or transmitting it. This is a harmful framing. What ultimately matters is Rt < 1. Do vaccines get us closer to that? Yes. Does not breathing on each other help with that? Yes. Does avoiding indoor gatherings prevent us from breathing on each other? Yes. Do masks and adequate ventilation help us reduce the amount of exposure when contact is unavoidable? Yes. Ergo each of these factors contributes to reducing the reproduction rate of the virus when applied. Wow, the power of simple logical deductions. Try it sometime. Deliberately obfuscating truths by painting a false dichotomy is misinformation. Life doesn't go on for the multitudes of preventable deaths that have occurred and will occur because people like you continue to push false narratives.
        mmmpop 5y ago
        > Words mean things. Get over it. Oh man, lemme tell you about the last time I used that one in an unrelated but equally controversial topic... I was browbeaten out of the room. "Words mean things (when that is convenient for my argument!)"
        5y ago

uoaei 5y ago

Children are safe from having debilitating symptoms due to COVID. I think it's worth being precise with language because the shorthand has been confusing for many people and used as a bludgeon in the reopening-schools-debate. But of course the real issue is children getting COVID from family, bringing it to school, spreading it to other kids who then give it to other parents. I have not seen analyses which attempt to quantify the effect of closing schools while taking this into account, but I'm sure they're out there.

TheCoelacanth 5y ago
Also spreading it to their teachers, who are usually adults and who usually don't want to get deadly diseases and may not be willing to work without some precautions going towards their safety.
- pcmoney 5y ago
  The virus is endemic, we are all going to get it sooner or later.
  - uoaei 5y ago
    No it is not and no we are not. You are advocating the sacrifice of lives which are not your own, which is unequivocally reprehensible.
    - pcmoney 5y ago
      It is endemic. Its everywhere. Its mutating. Humanity has never stopped the spread of similar coronaviruses and even if we could the death rate/risk is not bad enough to justify the cost (this isnt smallpox/polio) We have vaccines. They don’t stop you from getting it or transmitting it. They do lower probability of the vaccinated person getting severe/fatal covid. Clearly a personal health decision that should not be mandated (although I would encourage it) Mask are of marginal help. Mandates dont change actual behavior. Life goes on. (Me: triple vaxxed and have had Covid 2x)
      - uoaei 5y ago
        Not endemic. Will you accept a formal assessment of endemicity from a PI at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization? See as of two weeks ago: https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1480899954163863553 https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/14808999541638635... Not interested in playing word games. Words mean things. Get over it. > [Vaccines] don’t stop you from getting [COVID] or transmitting it. This is a harmful framing. What ultimately matters is Rt < 1. Do vaccines get us closer to that? Yes. Does not breathing on each other help with that? Yes. Does avoiding indoor gatherings prevent us from breathing on each other? Yes. Do masks and adequate ventilation help us reduce the amount of exposure when contact is unavoidable? Yes. Ergo each of these factors contributes to reducing the reproduction rate of the virus when applied. Wow, the power of simple logical deductions. Try it sometime. Deliberately obfuscating truths by painting a false dichotomy is misinformation. Life doesn't go on for the multitudes of preventable deaths that have occurred and will occur because people like you continue to push false narratives.
        mmmpop 5y ago
        > Words mean things. Get over it. Oh man, lemme tell you about the last time I used that one in an unrelated but equally controversial topic... I was browbeaten out of the room. "Words mean things (when that is convenient for my argument!)"
        5y ago