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When containers get breached, they diffuse through rock and soil and reach the surface. French govt estimated that it would reach the surface 400 years after bu

When containers get breached, they diffuse through rock and soil and reach the surface. French govt estimated that it would reach the surface 400 years after burial (so, 100 years for a breach and 300 years to swim down and up), diffused enough not to cause harm. So nuclear waste in a subduction zone would require a zone which dives faster than diffusion goes.

sandworm101 5y ago
Sweden is storing the stuff in a room 500 meters (.25 miles) inside a hill. That isn't deep disposal. Deep is perhaps 5000 meters down, even 10000 meters, maybe also below the sea floor. Down there the rock is warm and flexible. And not in a room but just in the drilled hole. Diffusion back to the surface won't be a problem.
pyrale 5y ago
> French govt estimated that it would reach the surface 400 years after burial (so, 100 years for a breach and 300 years to swim down and up), diffused enough not to cause harm. What kind of waste are you talking about? Long-term stored high-activity radioactive waste is certainly not going to leak its way to the surface in 400 years.
- godelski 5y ago
  High activity materials decay much faster than low activity materials. There's only so many protons and electrons you can shed.
  - pyrale 5y ago
    Regardless of their activity, long-term stored waste is expected to be vitrified and stored in rock formations that are water-tight (in France's case a specific type of clay) and have not moved for millions of years. It's hard to imagine anything that would lead to radioactive material leeching to the surface or an aquifer in hundreds of years.
    - godelski 5y ago
      Activity matters a lot actually. And predicting long term geological events is the difficult part. Hundreds of years, yeah, not a problem. Thousands and we start getting fuzzy. But this is why I suggested we "pass the buck" in another comment. Meaning to develop better solutions and let our science advance and take advantage of the fact that we can safely store, with modern methods, for several hundred years.
Manuel_D 5y ago
> When containers get breached, they diffuse through rock and soil and reach the surface. No? Unless there's some force pulling the waste up the contents of a container, breached or not - will move with the surrounding rock. And in a subduction zone, that rock is getting pulled down deeper into the crust.

sandworm101 5y ago

Sweden is storing the stuff in a room 500 meters (.25 miles) inside a hill. That isn't deep disposal. Deep is perhaps 5000 meters down, even 10000 meters, maybe also below the sea floor. Down there the rock is warm and flexible. And not in a room but just in the drilled hole. Diffusion back to the surface won't be a problem.

pyrale 5y ago

> French govt estimated that it would reach the surface 400 years after burial (so, 100 years for a breach and 300 years to swim down and up), diffused enough not to cause harm. What kind of waste are you talking about? Long-term stored high-activity radioactive waste is certainly not going to leak its way to the surface in 400 years.

godelski 5y ago
High activity materials decay much faster than low activity materials. There's only so many protons and electrons you can shed.
- pyrale 5y ago
  Regardless of their activity, long-term stored waste is expected to be vitrified and stored in rock formations that are water-tight (in France's case a specific type of clay) and have not moved for millions of years. It's hard to imagine anything that would lead to radioactive material leeching to the surface or an aquifer in hundreds of years.
  - godelski 5y ago
    Activity matters a lot actually. And predicting long term geological events is the difficult part. Hundreds of years, yeah, not a problem. Thousands and we start getting fuzzy. But this is why I suggested we "pass the buck" in another comment. Meaning to develop better solutions and let our science advance and take advantage of the fact that we can safely store, with modern methods, for several hundred years.

Manuel_D 5y ago

> When containers get breached, they diffuse through rock and soil and reach the surface. No? Unless there's some force pulling the waste up the contents of a container, breached or not - will move with the surrounding rock. And in a subduction zone, that rock is getting pulled down deeper into the crust.