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> I don't live in a very diverse country, so I don't know anything about the minorities part I love how you lead with this and then drive a car into every sing

> I don't live in a very diverse country, so I don't know anything about the minorities part I love how you lead with this and then drive a car into every single wall about this issue. Its like the most predictable meme and you are it. You've encountered women.... proportionally? What stage of the career, entry level, lead? The only point here is about time, and time commitment available. Forget about the supporting culture you were raised around for "grinding for the job you want", that method discriminates against competent people who have other obligations. When people are interviewing for a job, they are interviewing for many jobs at other potential places, so there is no way to determine passion or seriousness by their willingness to focus on studying for your job, it only determines who has things they can neglect. And basically that is just single men without debts or other distractions. Many times minorities have other distractions, in your non-diverse country a minority would likely have a time limit to find a job to maintain a visa or comply with an asylum application. Women often have other distractions as well, with only some slim slivers of time being similar to the single men. Hope that illuminates something for you, or others.

my_usernam3 5y ago
Yeah I don't buy your argument. I don't think leetcode questions are perfect, I also agree that women/minorities have extra distractions and hurdles which as a society we should look to lessen and improve. However, I find these distractions are much stronger correlated with a person's economic situation rather than race or gender. Also, I agree with the parent of your comment where the time spent with leetcode is a small fraction of the time needed to learn CS fundamentals, which are usually required for the job. Especially when you're not expected the candidate to KNOW the answer, you're observing HOW they solve the answer. I've failed candidates that memorized solutions, but could explain how they got there. And I championed ones that didn't get the optimal solution, but had a good thinking process that they could properly communicate to me. Guess which candidate spent more time studying?
- vmception 5y ago
  > However, I find these distractions are much stronger correlated with a person's economic situation rather than race or gender. Which changes nothing when its a 99% correlation by race and gender. Its not a dissertation, its acknowledging that something has the result of marginalizes groups disproportionately. Disproportionately means that it doesn't affect everyone, it doesn't 'affect all women and all minorities. It means disproportionately affects, due to their disproportionate representation in these distracting economic circumstances, so lets do something else instead since the reasons why it affects them isn't going to change in our lifetime. > Also, I agree with the parent of your comment where the time spent with leetcode is a small fraction of the time needed to learn CS fundamentals If people got formal education they took the risk for that allotted time. It doesn't matter if a time-discriminatory process takes less time, its an additional and unnecessary risk for the candidate. If people didn't get formal education then they didn't take the risk for the allotted time, they just have exposure to the tasks the company needs. That alone suggests more inspiration is needed to have a different way of determining their compentency.

my_usernam3 5y ago

Yeah I don't buy your argument. I don't think leetcode questions are perfect, I also agree that women/minorities have extra distractions and hurdles which as a society we should look to lessen and improve. However, I find these distractions are much stronger correlated with a person's economic situation rather than race or gender. Also, I agree with the parent of your comment where the time spent with leetcode is a small fraction of the time needed to learn CS fundamentals, which are usually required for the job. Especially when you're not expected the candidate to KNOW the answer, you're observing HOW they solve the answer. I've failed candidates that memorized solutions, but could explain how they got there. And I championed ones that didn't get the optimal solution, but had a good thinking process that they could properly communicate to me. Guess which candidate spent more time studying?

vmception 5y ago
> However, I find these distractions are much stronger correlated with a person's economic situation rather than race or gender. Which changes nothing when its a 99% correlation by race and gender. Its not a dissertation, its acknowledging that something has the result of marginalizes groups disproportionately. Disproportionately means that it doesn't affect everyone, it doesn't 'affect all women and all minorities. It means disproportionately affects, due to their disproportionate representation in these distracting economic circumstances, so lets do something else instead since the reasons why it affects them isn't going to change in our lifetime. > Also, I agree with the parent of your comment where the time spent with leetcode is a small fraction of the time needed to learn CS fundamentals If people got formal education they took the risk for that allotted time. It doesn't matter if a time-discriminatory process takes less time, its an additional and unnecessary risk for the candidate. If people didn't get formal education then they didn't take the risk for the allotted time, they just have exposure to the tasks the company needs. That alone suggests more inspiration is needed to have a different way of determining their compentency.