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Whether this article means to it makes the case for requiring vaccination instead, which, yeah we should do that.

spookthesunset 5y ago
If vaccination was the answer, why is my triple vaccinated self still required to wear a mask at a grocery store? Worse, why do I need to show proof of vaccine to enter a restaurant yet still be required to wear a mask anyway?
- bobbylarrybobby 5y ago
  It's easier to enforce mask compliance than vaccine compliance because masks are visible and vaccination status is not. Masking in restaurants for the twenty feet from entrance to table is a bit silly, though.
- standardUser 5y ago
  First of all, the number of places where you need to wear a mask inside of stores is fairly tiny. Second, for those places with mask mandates for shops, it's really hard to check everyone for vaccine status and really easy to see if someone is wearing a mask. As for restaurants... where do you need to wear a mask in a restaurant these days? I often wear it when talking to the host, just to be polite, but that is the only moment I wear a mask in a restaurant. As for vaccines, they are the "answer" because they dramatically reduce hospitalizations and all of the downstream catastrophes that come from overwhelmed hospitals.
mandmandam 5y ago
The cost / benefit to vaccinating kids is extremely suspect. Ireland has 1 million children aged 0-14. 1 has died of Covid this entire time. One. So we need to vaccinate them all every year to maybe prevent half an annual death? No way does that make sense from a cost/benefit perspective (unless you're a Pfizer shareholder). "But those kids can spread it to their triple- and quadruple vaccinated grandparents!" - What's the NNTV on that?
- duderific 5y ago
  It seems like you're dismissing the reality of small children spreading Covid to more vulnerable populations. My daughter who is 3 and thus unvaccinated, caught Omicron at daycare. Unfortunately the parents of the child who was spreading it, neglected to inform the daycare that the child was positive. Because of this, we unknowingly spread it to my 81 year old mother in law. This was around Christmas and although she is ok, it was a little touch and go for a while. I imagine I'm far from the only person who found themselves in this kind of situation.
  - mandmandam 5y ago
    I'm glad your MIL is okay. Are you sure she only got ill because we didn't vaccinate every 3 year old? Say all those children had been vaccinated, all of them, before daycare started. They'd have gotten a shot or two to be ready for August. In all likelihood, that wouldn't have done much to protect them from Omicron in December. Omicron featured 32 mutations on the spike protein alone, and previous 'vaccines' delivered only 4 months ago offer "very limited protection". Repeated mass vaccination, of entire generations of children, to protect already vaccinated grandparents - man, that's going very far. There are many possible unforeseen health consequences to such action - and the lengths to which you'd have to go to get every parent to comply are very fucking far indeed.
restingrobot 5y ago
>requiring vaccination instead Why not natural immunity instead?
- Avshalom 5y ago
  "let god sort em out" is just eugenics.
  - restingrobot 5y ago
    >"let god sort em out" is just eugenics. LOL its not eugenics, its the same for every other infectious disease without a vaccine. Everyone will get omicron/some variant at some point.
    - Avshalom 5y ago
      But we have a vaccine.
      - restingrobot 5y ago
        Not for omicron, or the next variant, or the one after that. At some point we have to face reality, and no it is not eugenics, it called "life".
        amalcon 5y ago
        We do have several vaccines for Omicron. They are the existing COVID vaccines. They aren't as effective as they were against prior variants, but they're still more effective than e.g. flu vaccines, which save many lives each year. Note that I don't agree with the eugenics comments, but this misinformation about the effectiveness of COVID vaccines is getting out of hand.
        restingrobot 5y ago
        >but this misinformation about the effectiveness of COVID vaccines is getting out of hand. Nothing I stated is misinformation. The the current vaccines are not effective at preventing the spread of omicron. So to say that the best approach, if you are already vaccinated, is to just get virus, is not a stretch. The same can apply to any future, (weak), variants as well.

If vaccination was the answer, why is my triple vaccinated self still required to wear a mask at a grocery store? Worse, why do I need to show proof of vaccine to enter a restaurant yet still be required to wear a mask anyway?

bobbylarrybobby 5y ago
It's easier to enforce mask compliance than vaccine compliance because masks are visible and vaccination status is not. Masking in restaurants for the twenty feet from entrance to table is a bit silly, though.
standardUser 5y ago
First of all, the number of places where you need to wear a mask inside of stores is fairly tiny. Second, for those places with mask mandates for shops, it's really hard to check everyone for vaccine status and really easy to see if someone is wearing a mask. As for restaurants... where do you need to wear a mask in a restaurant these days? I often wear it when talking to the host, just to be polite, but that is the only moment I wear a mask in a restaurant. As for vaccines, they are the "answer" because they dramatically reduce hospitalizations and all of the downstream catastrophes that come from overwhelmed hospitals.

mandmandam 5y ago

The cost / benefit to vaccinating kids is extremely suspect. Ireland has 1 million children aged 0-14. 1 has died of Covid this entire time. One. So we need to vaccinate them all every year to maybe prevent half an annual death? No way does that make sense from a cost/benefit perspective (unless you're a Pfizer shareholder). "But those kids can spread it to their triple- and quadruple vaccinated grandparents!" - What's the NNTV on that?

duderific 5y ago
It seems like you're dismissing the reality of small children spreading Covid to more vulnerable populations. My daughter who is 3 and thus unvaccinated, caught Omicron at daycare. Unfortunately the parents of the child who was spreading it, neglected to inform the daycare that the child was positive. Because of this, we unknowingly spread it to my 81 year old mother in law. This was around Christmas and although she is ok, it was a little touch and go for a while. I imagine I'm far from the only person who found themselves in this kind of situation.
- mandmandam 5y ago
  I'm glad your MIL is okay. Are you sure she only got ill because we didn't vaccinate every 3 year old? Say all those children had been vaccinated, all of them, before daycare started. They'd have gotten a shot or two to be ready for August. In all likelihood, that wouldn't have done much to protect them from Omicron in December. Omicron featured 32 mutations on the spike protein alone, and previous 'vaccines' delivered only 4 months ago offer "very limited protection". Repeated mass vaccination, of entire generations of children, to protect already vaccinated grandparents - man, that's going very far. There are many possible unforeseen health consequences to such action - and the lengths to which you'd have to go to get every parent to comply are very fucking far indeed.

restingrobot 5y ago

>requiring vaccination instead Why not natural immunity instead?

Avshalom 5y ago
"let god sort em out" is just eugenics.
- restingrobot 5y ago
  >"let god sort em out" is just eugenics. LOL its not eugenics, its the same for every other infectious disease without a vaccine. Everyone will get omicron/some variant at some point.
  - Avshalom 5y ago
    But we have a vaccine.
    - restingrobot 5y ago
      Not for omicron, or the next variant, or the one after that. At some point we have to face reality, and no it is not eugenics, it called "life".
      - amalcon 5y ago
        We do have several vaccines for Omicron. They are the existing COVID vaccines. They aren't as effective as they were against prior variants, but they're still more effective than e.g. flu vaccines, which save many lives each year. Note that I don't agree with the eugenics comments, but this misinformation about the effectiveness of COVID vaccines is getting out of hand.
        restingrobot 5y ago
        >but this misinformation about the effectiveness of COVID vaccines is getting out of hand. Nothing I stated is misinformation. The the current vaccines are not effective at preventing the spread of omicron. So to say that the best approach, if you are already vaccinated, is to just get virus, is not a stretch. The same can apply to any future, (weak), variants as well.