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Very strange. So people buy their TP online and get it shipped to them with more paper around them than it takes to make the rolls themselves? Opening, breaking

Very strange. So people buy their TP online and get it shipped to them with more paper around them than it takes to make the rolls themselves? Opening, breaking down and disposing the box seems much more work and wasteful. I understand groceries delivered by Instacart etc., but I don't understand ordering bulk non-perishable consumables online when a one time trip to a wholesale store like Sams would be much cheaper and "greener".

toast0 5y ago
> Very strange. So people buy their TP online and get it shipped to them with more paper around them than it takes to make the rolls themselves? Opening, breaking down and disposing the box seems much more work and wasteful. TP ships to grocery stores in cardboard boxes too; if you buy the large sizes, they just put the shipping label on that box.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  - Stores could recycle/reuse the boxes a lot easier and maybe they do. - You don't have to handle the breaking down and disposing yourself. - How many people doing this are buying 96ct boxes? - It takes a ridiculous amount of space for last mile delivery especially if they are buying the 96ct box which would be the closest to efficiency of a wholesale store, but still not as good. I'm not a eco-nazi so I don't really care to squabble over emissions, but it's a bit silly, do people in LA not do wholesale runs a couple times a year for bulk items? It just seems wasteful for the delivery system and yourself, financially and otherwise.
laegooose 5y ago
How is it greener? You drive to a store and back alone; delivery driver has multiple deliveries next to each other on the route.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  You can buy more in bulk and shipping doesn't just involve the delivery driver, whose truck you just took 1/4th the space of with TP, requiring more resupply trips. Shipping to a wholesale store is obviously more efficient than to the last mile, I don't see how that's up for debate. Generally you run other errands as well.
  - mortehu 5y ago
    You are making guesswork drive a lot of your opinions here. Why can you buy more in bulk in person than when a truck drives to your building? The concept of "last mile" makes no sense for Amazon, since they will drive past your address in the suburbs anyway, and in a city they're already driving to your building (several times per day if it's big). I agree Instacart is probably garbage for the environment, because in the suburbs it's often a passenger car delivering for just one household, but that's just equal to the baseline.
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      There's limited space on that truck, you know that right? They have to resupply. Bulk TP takes up room, a little amount of TP is inefficient. In no way is getting TP delivered to you ever more efficient than buying from a wholesale store. You're trying to justify it, for whatever reason. I'm not advocating to banish it, it just seems silly. > and in a city they're already driving to your building (several times per day if it's big). Yes they're driving around all day because everyone is buying stuff like TP lol. - edit to reply below because post limit - TP is a lightweight, large volume package. The more TP you order more frequently, the less space the truck has, the more amount of resupply trips needed. The alternative (normal way) I'm proposing is not those cars filling the same void as the truck. It's that you should buy in bulk those items, directly, less frequency and leave more room for mass last mile delivery of items that are small / perishable / unavailable in bulk.
      - mortehu 5y ago
        > There's limited space on that truck, you know that right? What sort of delivery mode is this statement supposed to defend? I deleted a lot of text to substitute this simple question: if you wanted to bring toilet paper to all 250 apartments in our building, would you use a passenger car or a truck?
TigeriusKirk 5y ago
I feel like their has to be a business in collecting used Amazon boxes and selling them back to Amazon.

toast0 5y ago

> Very strange. So people buy their TP online and get it shipped to them with more paper around them than it takes to make the rolls themselves? Opening, breaking down and disposing the box seems much more work and wasteful. TP ships to grocery stores in cardboard boxes too; if you buy the large sizes, they just put the shipping label on that box.

hunterb123 5y ago
- Stores could recycle/reuse the boxes a lot easier and maybe they do. - You don't have to handle the breaking down and disposing yourself. - How many people doing this are buying 96ct boxes? - It takes a ridiculous amount of space for last mile delivery especially if they are buying the 96ct box which would be the closest to efficiency of a wholesale store, but still not as good. I'm not a eco-nazi so I don't really care to squabble over emissions, but it's a bit silly, do people in LA not do wholesale runs a couple times a year for bulk items? It just seems wasteful for the delivery system and yourself, financially and otherwise.

laegooose 5y ago

How is it greener? You drive to a store and back alone; delivery driver has multiple deliveries next to each other on the route.

hunterb123 5y ago
You can buy more in bulk and shipping doesn't just involve the delivery driver, whose truck you just took 1/4th the space of with TP, requiring more resupply trips. Shipping to a wholesale store is obviously more efficient than to the last mile, I don't see how that's up for debate. Generally you run other errands as well.
- mortehu 5y ago
  You are making guesswork drive a lot of your opinions here. Why can you buy more in bulk in person than when a truck drives to your building? The concept of "last mile" makes no sense for Amazon, since they will drive past your address in the suburbs anyway, and in a city they're already driving to your building (several times per day if it's big). I agree Instacart is probably garbage for the environment, because in the suburbs it's often a passenger car delivering for just one household, but that's just equal to the baseline.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    There's limited space on that truck, you know that right? They have to resupply. Bulk TP takes up room, a little amount of TP is inefficient. In no way is getting TP delivered to you ever more efficient than buying from a wholesale store. You're trying to justify it, for whatever reason. I'm not advocating to banish it, it just seems silly. > and in a city they're already driving to your building (several times per day if it's big). Yes they're driving around all day because everyone is buying stuff like TP lol. - edit to reply below because post limit - TP is a lightweight, large volume package. The more TP you order more frequently, the less space the truck has, the more amount of resupply trips needed. The alternative (normal way) I'm proposing is not those cars filling the same void as the truck. It's that you should buy in bulk those items, directly, less frequency and leave more room for mass last mile delivery of items that are small / perishable / unavailable in bulk.
    - mortehu 5y ago
      > There's limited space on that truck, you know that right? What sort of delivery mode is this statement supposed to defend? I deleted a lot of text to substitute this simple question: if you wanted to bring toilet paper to all 250 apartments in our building, would you use a passenger car or a truck?

TigeriusKirk 5y ago

I feel like their has to be a business in collecting used Amazon boxes and selling them back to Amazon.