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Is this at all surprising? Spotify paid a lot of money to have Rogan on their platform because he (supposedly) makes them more money. Young gave a request of th

Is this at all surprising? Spotify paid a lot of money to have Rogan on their platform because he (supposedly) makes them more money. Young gave a request of the "choose-him-or-me" variety, and Spotify honored that request. I doubt Young's body of work really amounts to much money for Spotify. Did Young really think that Spotify would drop Rogan over him? Would he have preferred to keep the status quo? I believe Young got what he asked for and/or wanted. He's no longer on the same platform as Rogan. That's a win, right?

footlose_3815 5y ago
Neil will be the first of many to do it.
- stickfigure 5y ago
  Do you believe that for empirical reasons or ideological reasons? So far this appears to be false.
  - zzzbra 5y ago
    I think they are just articulating NY's actual reasoning.
redleader55 5y ago
I have no idea how popular Neil Young is, but I can imagine this can boost his popularity which then he can cash in somehow.
- knaik94 5y ago
  I imagine leaving the most popular streaming platform is going to be hurt financially in the long run.
  - snowwrestler 5y ago
    Maybe not; Spotify is famous for how little they pay artists for song plays. Most artists seem to think of it as a marketing channel like radio, not a revenue source.
    - cronix 5y ago
      > Spotify is famous for how little they pay artists for song plays Maybe, but > 60% of Young's streaming revenue comes from Spotify meaning the move is likely to cost him and his record label, Warner Bros[1] So what "little" they paid him was still the majority of what he was making. And I think it will be hard for someone from his genre (1960's/70's) to make a come back. Most people under 35ish-40 have never heard of him and likely won't listen due to the genre. [1] https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/01/27/spotify-grants-neil-young-s-request-to-remove-music-in-conspiracy-theory-row https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/01/27/spotify-grants-n...
      - rpd9803 5y ago
        LOL Do you really think musicians make most of the money they make from streaming? Dude could have 1 concert a year and pull in more than his streaming would in a decade. Not to mention merch, commercial licensing.. etc.. LOL
        cronix 5y ago
        > So what "little" they paid him was still the majority of what he was making streaming There, I fixed it. LOL
      - pwinnski 5y ago
        60% of his miniscule streaming revenue? 60% of 1% is 0.6%, I think he'll be okay.
      - pseudalopex 5y ago
        He sold 50% of his music rights for $150 million last year. And he was rich already. His investments should make much more than streaming. He just signed a deal with SiriusXM too.[1] I think he'll be all right. [1] https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/siriusxm-neil-youngs-music-after-spotify-removal-1235082417/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/siriusxm-...
- randlet 5y ago
  Neil Young has sold over 75 million records and is likely wealthy beyond most peoples dream. He probably doesn't care a lick about lost Spotify revenue and "cashing in" in is likely raising awareness for a cause he believes in.
nsxwolf 5y ago
I don't think he expected them to drop Rogan, I think he just did this out of principal, but it really ended up being embarrassing for him. It was an opportunity to hear a collective "Who?" out of the under-50 demographic, and reminded a lot of fans that they hadn't listened to him in many years. It came off like he was shouting his irrelevancy from the rooftops. I hope he gained some sense of satisfaction or peace from his, because he won't be gaining much else.
- NoLinkToMe 5y ago
  Had no clue who he was, but I commend him for this principled stance. How he'd have to be embarrassed for me not knowing who he is, I can't fathom. He also doesn't know who I am. I don't think he expected Spotify to cancel Rogan, I do think he expected to raise awareness of Rogan's dangerous and anti-scientific medical nonsense, and he quite succesfully did that, at his own expense. The embarrassment is with Spotify, who'd have very likely have cancelled Rogan right away had he been a nobody, an insignificant part of their business, spouting anti-scientific nonsense on their platform. Spotify chose the money. I'd probably have doen the same in Spotify's shoes, but they may at least be embarrassed about it, and Niel Young certainly doesn't. It was a matter of principles that you're downplaying to it ostensibly being a matter of it being a popularity contest.
  - nsxwolf 5y ago
    Don't forget what he's doing. He's not just refusing to listen to a podcast he doesn't like. He wants to take it away from the millions of people who enjoy listening to it. He wants tell other people they shouldn't be allowed to hear something. That's not commendable in my book.
    - projct 5y ago
      That's absurd. Spotify is not the only place you can publish a podcast.
      - nsxwolf 5y ago
Jyaif 5y ago
I think his idea is that if a few popular artists took a stand like him, Spotify would have to change their decision.
rco8786 5y ago
> Did Young really think that Spotify would drop Rogan over him? No, he's hoping that other artists will follow suit and that collectively they will choose the artists over Rogan. I don't see it happening, but open to being wrong.
kenjackson 5y ago
I'm not sure what a "win" in this case is, but it seems fair. I didn't genuinely get the impression that Young thought he'd push off Rogan, but rather really didn't want to be on the same platform as Rogan. I think he has that right, although I think most people raised in the social media era are more comfortable with sharing platforms with divergent views.
- rpd9803 5y ago
  'divergent views' is a very weasley way of saying 'intentional misinformation'
  - factcheckdec 5y ago
    Isn't intentional misinformation a contradiction in terms? Perhaps you meant to say disinformation?
ipspam 5y ago
I don't see how Joe makes them money. My understanding is that the consumers he brings make them money, so maybe same thing. Either way, it's bad for the consumer. It's the people using Spotify themselves, and Joe Rogan for signing with them that made this potential censorship possible by allowing themselves to be walled off. Neil Young hasn't lost. He's kicked off the anti-free speech war on Podcasts. It's always been coming, the messaging has been clear: the far right operate with impunity and spread hate and disinformation on podcasts, and it's uncensorable. This has to change. Once the king goes, everyone is fair game. That's why they are after Joe, and it isn't going to stop. I highly doubt Joe doesn't end up back on an .RSS feed hosted by Gab servers before the end of the 2024 election.
randlet 5y ago
"Did Young really think that Spotify would drop Rogan over him?" I don't want to speak for Neil Young, but I imagine he knew for certain Spotify would choose Rogan. But there's no such thing as bad press right? He knew he could force them to publicly take a position and now here we are all talking about it. Mission accomplished by Young I'd say.
pseudalopex 5y ago
> Young gave a request of the "choose-him-or-me" variety Young's request was unconditional. "I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform." Probably he would reconsider if they dropped Rogan. Certainly he expected they wouldn't. He has fuck you money and a history of taking stands. All of us are talking about what he wanted people talking about. Surely he'd like if it started a movement. I think he got everything he expected though.
kjsingh 5y ago
It's a win for Young too - Spotify complying to the request shows they lack a spine!
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  I think it shows they do have a spine and won't comply with wokeism.

footlose_3815 5y ago

Neil will be the first of many to do it.

stickfigure 5y ago
Do you believe that for empirical reasons or ideological reasons? So far this appears to be false.
- zzzbra 5y ago
  I think they are just articulating NY's actual reasoning.

redleader55 5y ago

I have no idea how popular Neil Young is, but I can imagine this can boost his popularity which then he can cash in somehow.

knaik94 5y ago
I imagine leaving the most popular streaming platform is going to be hurt financially in the long run.
- snowwrestler 5y ago
  Maybe not; Spotify is famous for how little they pay artists for song plays. Most artists seem to think of it as a marketing channel like radio, not a revenue source.
  - cronix 5y ago
    > Spotify is famous for how little they pay artists for song plays Maybe, but > 60% of Young's streaming revenue comes from Spotify meaning the move is likely to cost him and his record label, Warner Bros[1] So what "little" they paid him was still the majority of what he was making. And I think it will be hard for someone from his genre (1960's/70's) to make a come back. Most people under 35ish-40 have never heard of him and likely won't listen due to the genre. [1] https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/01/27/spotify-grants-neil-young-s-request-to-remove-music-in-conspiracy-theory-row https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/01/27/spotify-grants-n...
    - rpd9803 5y ago
      LOL Do you really think musicians make most of the money they make from streaming? Dude could have 1 concert a year and pull in more than his streaming would in a decade. Not to mention merch, commercial licensing.. etc.. LOL
      - cronix 5y ago
        > So what "little" they paid him was still the majority of what he was making streaming There, I fixed it. LOL
    - pwinnski 5y ago
      60% of his miniscule streaming revenue? 60% of 1% is 0.6%, I think he'll be okay.
    - pseudalopex 5y ago
      He sold 50% of his music rights for $150 million last year. And he was rich already. His investments should make much more than streaming. He just signed a deal with SiriusXM too.[1] I think he'll be all right. [1] https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/siriusxm-neil-youngs-music-after-spotify-removal-1235082417/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/siriusxm-...
randlet 5y ago
Neil Young has sold over 75 million records and is likely wealthy beyond most peoples dream. He probably doesn't care a lick about lost Spotify revenue and "cashing in" in is likely raising awareness for a cause he believes in.

nsxwolf 5y ago

I don't think he expected them to drop Rogan, I think he just did this out of principal, but it really ended up being embarrassing for him. It was an opportunity to hear a collective "Who?" out of the under-50 demographic, and reminded a lot of fans that they hadn't listened to him in many years. It came off like he was shouting his irrelevancy from the rooftops. I hope he gained some sense of satisfaction or peace from his, because he won't be gaining much else.

NoLinkToMe 5y ago
Had no clue who he was, but I commend him for this principled stance. How he'd have to be embarrassed for me not knowing who he is, I can't fathom. He also doesn't know who I am. I don't think he expected Spotify to cancel Rogan, I do think he expected to raise awareness of Rogan's dangerous and anti-scientific medical nonsense, and he quite succesfully did that, at his own expense. The embarrassment is with Spotify, who'd have very likely have cancelled Rogan right away had he been a nobody, an insignificant part of their business, spouting anti-scientific nonsense on their platform. Spotify chose the money. I'd probably have doen the same in Spotify's shoes, but they may at least be embarrassed about it, and Niel Young certainly doesn't. It was a matter of principles that you're downplaying to it ostensibly being a matter of it being a popularity contest.
- nsxwolf 5y ago
  Don't forget what he's doing. He's not just refusing to listen to a podcast he doesn't like. He wants to take it away from the millions of people who enjoy listening to it. He wants tell other people they shouldn't be allowed to hear something. That's not commendable in my book.
  - projct 5y ago
    That's absurd. Spotify is not the only place you can publish a podcast.
    - nsxwolf 5y ago

Jyaif 5y ago

I think his idea is that if a few popular artists took a stand like him, Spotify would have to change their decision.

rco8786 5y ago

> Did Young really think that Spotify would drop Rogan over him? No, he's hoping that other artists will follow suit and that collectively they will choose the artists over Rogan. I don't see it happening, but open to being wrong.

kenjackson 5y ago

I'm not sure what a "win" in this case is, but it seems fair. I didn't genuinely get the impression that Young thought he'd push off Rogan, but rather really didn't want to be on the same platform as Rogan. I think he has that right, although I think most people raised in the social media era are more comfortable with sharing platforms with divergent views.

rpd9803 5y ago
'divergent views' is a very weasley way of saying 'intentional misinformation'
- factcheckdec 5y ago
  Isn't intentional misinformation a contradiction in terms? Perhaps you meant to say disinformation?

ipspam 5y ago

I don't see how Joe makes them money. My understanding is that the consumers he brings make them money, so maybe same thing. Either way, it's bad for the consumer. It's the people using Spotify themselves, and Joe Rogan for signing with them that made this potential censorship possible by allowing themselves to be walled off. Neil Young hasn't lost. He's kicked off the anti-free speech war on Podcasts. It's always been coming, the messaging has been clear: the far right operate with impunity and spread hate and disinformation on podcasts, and it's uncensorable. This has to change. Once the king goes, everyone is fair game. That's why they are after Joe, and it isn't going to stop. I highly doubt Joe doesn't end up back on an .RSS feed hosted by Gab servers before the end of the 2024 election.

randlet 5y ago

"Did Young really think that Spotify would drop Rogan over him?" I don't want to speak for Neil Young, but I imagine he knew for certain Spotify would choose Rogan. But there's no such thing as bad press right? He knew he could force them to publicly take a position and now here we are all talking about it. Mission accomplished by Young I'd say.

pseudalopex 5y ago

> Young gave a request of the "choose-him-or-me" variety Young's request was unconditional. "I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform." Probably he would reconsider if they dropped Rogan. Certainly he expected they wouldn't. He has fuck you money and a history of taking stands. All of us are talking about what he wanted people talking about. Surely he'd like if it started a movement. I think he got everything he expected though.

kjsingh 5y ago

It's a win for Young too - Spotify complying to the request shows they lack a spine!

stjohnswarts 5y ago
I think it shows they do have a spine and won't comply with wokeism.