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Speak to feminist scholars. It's far more entrenched than that. We have numerous systems deeply entrenched in our model for society that encourage this, specifi

Speak to feminist scholars. It's far more entrenched than that. We have numerous systems deeply entrenched in our model for society that encourage this, specifically against women. We create incentives for insecurity and then prey on it. Keeping women under a microscope, consciously or not, maintains the status quo in business, government, public spaces, etc and as you follow the path back, it almost always has roots I'm religious fundamentalism. So, yes, insecurity but primarily insecurity about losing power and control, by men. That's why we focus so much on what "she" wears but nobody gives two shits if I show up to work in flipflops, board shorts and a tank top. Why would they? I'm a dude.

zozbot234 5y ago
Feminist scholars do well at diagnosing the problem. but they're terrible when it comes to arguing for good solutions. They mostly talk about ideology, and let's not kid ourselves: ideology (divisive ideology, at that) is not going to improve women's self esteem or lower their insecurity.
- spopejoy 5y ago
  I doubt you actually read any feminist scholars. If you did you'd realize that there's no way to characterize them as they are all over the map, especially since they can fall into so many disciplines (philosophy, literature, sociology, political science, history, etc). Feminism has an extremely broad remit and it's all based on the idea that actual ideology routinely boxes in half of the population in some way or another. It's just a fact, and thus there is endless study that can be undertaken.
bradlys 5y ago
Depends on your position as a male. Barack Obama got made fun of for a tan/beige suit he wore once. Men get made fun of for what they wear all the time. So, I don’t get this argument that no one cares what men wear because we all certainly do. See mens wardrobe options vs womens. Compare the two - look at what is normal for one and normal for another. You’ll see one has far more selection than the other.
- igetspam 5y ago
  Yes but those are memorable and we laugh at them because they stand out. The volume of hate we throw at women is orders of magnitude worse. We don't even really pay attention to how often we slut/fat/ugly/etc shame women any more.
  - bradlys 5y ago
    That has nothing to do with dress. We critique men's dress very often as we do women's. I think another aspect is that men's fashion is inherently more limited - because - men are aware of the critiques and don't want to deal with it.
- dfxm12 5y ago
  insecurity but primarily insecurity about losing power and control Interestingly enough, this probably applies to the people who were dismissing Obama on the basis of that tan suit as well.
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zozbot234 5y ago

Feminist scholars do well at diagnosing the problem. but they're terrible when it comes to arguing for good solutions. They mostly talk about ideology, and let's not kid ourselves: ideology (divisive ideology, at that) is not going to improve women's self esteem or lower their insecurity.

spopejoy 5y ago
I doubt you actually read any feminist scholars. If you did you'd realize that there's no way to characterize them as they are all over the map, especially since they can fall into so many disciplines (philosophy, literature, sociology, political science, history, etc). Feminism has an extremely broad remit and it's all based on the idea that actual ideology routinely boxes in half of the population in some way or another. It's just a fact, and thus there is endless study that can be undertaken.

bradlys 5y ago

Depends on your position as a male. Barack Obama got made fun of for a tan/beige suit he wore once. Men get made fun of for what they wear all the time. So, I don’t get this argument that no one cares what men wear because we all certainly do. See mens wardrobe options vs womens. Compare the two - look at what is normal for one and normal for another. You’ll see one has far more selection than the other.

igetspam 5y ago
Yes but those are memorable and we laugh at them because they stand out. The volume of hate we throw at women is orders of magnitude worse. We don't even really pay attention to how often we slut/fat/ugly/etc shame women any more.
- bradlys 5y ago
  That has nothing to do with dress. We critique men's dress very often as we do women's. I think another aspect is that men's fashion is inherently more limited - because - men are aware of the critiques and don't want to deal with it.
dfxm12 5y ago
insecurity but primarily insecurity about losing power and control Interestingly enough, this probably applies to the people who were dismissing Obama on the basis of that tan suit as well.

SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y ago