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>The market decides how hard you are expected to work That's like saying house prices in San Francisco are set by how much people are willing to pay. It's true

>The market decides how hard you are expected to work That's like saying house prices in San Francisco are set by how much people are willing to pay. It's true but hides the real problem which is housing is unaffordable for many in that area.

wiseowise 5y ago
> That's like saying house prices in San Francisco are set by how much people are willing to pay. They literally are. > It's true but hides the real problem which is housing is unaffordable for many in that area. Area has finite amount of estate. The only "solution" is to create ghettos of human hives which lead to classes of problems on their own.
- Slippery_John 5y ago
  Some people own multiple homes. Some people rent out those second homes. Some turn them into glorified hotels via AirBnB and the like. Some merely sit on them as an investment vehicle or a tax avoidance scheme. These people are leeches on society, artificially increasing housing prices while providing no real value. > The only "solution" is to create ghettos of human hives which lead to classes of problems on their own. As a general rule, one can assume that anybody who refers to humans as an infestation or their homes as hives is not a good person. Have the day you deserve.
  - wiseowise 5y ago
    > As a general rule, one can assume that anybody who refers to humans as an infestation or their homes as hives is not a good person. Have the day you deserve. Anything concrete to say, aside from weak ad-hominem? I grew up in post-USSR, I'm pretty sure I know much more about human hives than you do. And I never said anything about infestation. Every family should have their own home.
- antifa 5y ago
  > The only "solution" is to create ghettos There's a list of reasonable things they haven't tried yet.
supperburg 5y ago
It doesn’t hide anything. If the price is too high then something is wrong. In your case it’s restraint on supply and in labor the problem is people who don’t know the value of what they have and never put any consideration into making themselves difficult to push around. They jump into precarious financial circumstances, but expensive things and pump out babies and when it comes time to negotiate they have zero leverage. The behavior of the average American is retarded and spoiled. That’s why people from Asia come here and shoot straight to the top — because their parents actually make deliberate decisions to advance their socioeconomic position.
- zivkovicp 5y ago
  Harsh words, but true. +1 The best thing for most people to realise is that "life's not fair, deal with it".
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    A convenient philosophy for those who gain an advantage from the unfairness.
    - zivkovicp 5y ago
      Perhaps, but also for those that simply want to try to improve their lives without the baggage of constantly feeling that the world is oppressing them. Personally, whatever little I have is probably 1/3 luck, 1/3 hard work, 1/3 good decision making. I've never inherited a single $1, don't have a CEO relative to hire me, etc... but what good would it do to blame the world for any of that? Life _isn't_ always fair, whatever.
    - joquarky 5y ago
      Exactly. I have had several opportunities in life to get a significant advancement in income, but it would have meant doing something unethical, so I passed.
  - antifa 5y ago
    Sounds dangerously close to "life's not fair, keep your mouth closed and do nothing about it".

wiseowise 5y ago

> That's like saying house prices in San Francisco are set by how much people are willing to pay. They literally are. > It's true but hides the real problem which is housing is unaffordable for many in that area. Area has finite amount of estate. The only "solution" is to create ghettos of human hives which lead to classes of problems on their own.

Slippery_John 5y ago
Some people own multiple homes. Some people rent out those second homes. Some turn them into glorified hotels via AirBnB and the like. Some merely sit on them as an investment vehicle or a tax avoidance scheme. These people are leeches on society, artificially increasing housing prices while providing no real value. > The only "solution" is to create ghettos of human hives which lead to classes of problems on their own. As a general rule, one can assume that anybody who refers to humans as an infestation or their homes as hives is not a good person. Have the day you deserve.
- wiseowise 5y ago
  > As a general rule, one can assume that anybody who refers to humans as an infestation or their homes as hives is not a good person. Have the day you deserve. Anything concrete to say, aside from weak ad-hominem? I grew up in post-USSR, I'm pretty sure I know much more about human hives than you do. And I never said anything about infestation. Every family should have their own home.
antifa 5y ago
> The only "solution" is to create ghettos There's a list of reasonable things they haven't tried yet.

supperburg 5y ago

It doesn’t hide anything. If the price is too high then something is wrong. In your case it’s restraint on supply and in labor the problem is people who don’t know the value of what they have and never put any consideration into making themselves difficult to push around. They jump into precarious financial circumstances, but expensive things and pump out babies and when it comes time to negotiate they have zero leverage. The behavior of the average American is retarded and spoiled. That’s why people from Asia come here and shoot straight to the top — because their parents actually make deliberate decisions to advance their socioeconomic position.

zivkovicp 5y ago
Harsh words, but true. +1 The best thing for most people to realise is that "life's not fair, deal with it".
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  A convenient philosophy for those who gain an advantage from the unfairness.
  - zivkovicp 5y ago
    Perhaps, but also for those that simply want to try to improve their lives without the baggage of constantly feeling that the world is oppressing them. Personally, whatever little I have is probably 1/3 luck, 1/3 hard work, 1/3 good decision making. I've never inherited a single $1, don't have a CEO relative to hire me, etc... but what good would it do to blame the world for any of that? Life _isn't_ always fair, whatever.
  - joquarky 5y ago
    Exactly. I have had several opportunities in life to get a significant advancement in income, but it would have meant doing something unethical, so I passed.
- antifa 5y ago
  Sounds dangerously close to "life's not fair, keep your mouth closed and do nothing about it".