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Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo, Vidlii, DLive, Triller Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

SexyCyborg 5y ago
Yes, unfortunately it's a bit like trying to run a hotel and not being able to take Visa or Mastercard- just Discover Card. Alternatives in this case don't really help, it's marketshare that produces the income.
- xref 5y ago
  Not sure the analogy holds when Visa and Mastercard repeatedly warn the hotel they’re violating their ToS, but the hotel dgaf
  - SexyCyborg 5y ago
    >Not sure the analogy holds when Visa and Mastercard repeatedly warn the hotel they’re violating their ToS, but the hotel dgaf If the complaint is "your hotel is made of brick" and it's not in the ToS that's a problem. YouTube can't actually cite which of their rules I'm violating- in fact according to their rules I'm fine, and the thing they do have a problem with- my physical shape, would require surgery to bring into compliance with their demands. I'm not doing that.
- 3np 5y ago
  It's a chicken-and-egg-thing though, with the viewers and the uploaders... I think the most realistic path to something better is that content-makers who realize the value in alternatives to the YT model and Google or would like to minimize being dependent on their goodwill, will start to double-post their content to a less controlled alternative (today that would be Peertube and/or LBRY). It will probably not happen over night, but at some point I think that's the best shot at reaching critical mass where it's enough market share to be profitable and all the rest will follow. Even if exposure is initially negligible, keep at it, Rome was not built overnight. Same thing for Twitter... Why not start having a presence on the Fediverse? :) I absolutely get where you're coming from, but now that you're personally experiencing some of the downside of the centralized US/China-centric status quo, rather than only trying to have the dictators be more benevolent, start taking steps to be part of something better? HMU if you're up for it and need help with hosting or whatnot. BTW, really appreciate you doing what you do and coming in and engaging in the comments. I'm sure you're a source of inspiration for many.
  - 3np 5y ago
    Hey, I see you're on Odyssey at least \o/ https://odysee.com/@Naomi-SexyCyborg-Wu:b https://odysee.com/@Naomi-SexyCyborg-Wu:b
no_butterscotch 5y ago
sigh Unfortunately, all of those suck. That is the reality. Like it or not. Vimeo has its use case, the arts mostly. Odysee is something I'll check out every now and then, but even there it's just YouTube creators using it as a back-up.
- paulpauper 5y ago
  use case: being a reminder of why if you have a YouTube channel why not being banned should be your main priority. the drop from #1 to #2 platform is reaaaallllyy steep. Like trying to find eBay alternatives after you lose your ebay account..yeah good luck with that. Or PayPal alternatives. They all suck.
paulpauper 5y ago
awesome ..1/1000 the traffic. no viralness, no recommendations, or discovery, no rev., needing to use 10+ platforms to equal 1/100 the traffic of YouTube
- ddtaylor 5y ago
  Also your content will likely be sandwiched between a bunch of racist and extremist content.
  - meibo 5y ago
    There are well moderated/curated PeerTube instances, just like there are well moderated Mastodon and Matrix instances. You just have to look for them, which is a big problem for a video site(no virality, smaller audience).
aloisdg 5y ago
+1 for a maker oriented Peertube instance.
- MayeulC 5y ago
  https://tilvids.com https://tilvids.com seems relatively nice, do you have others in mind? I haven't found a dedicated "maker" instance on https://joinpeertube.org/instances https://joinpeertube.org/instances (apart from a specific https://video.ellijaymakerspace.org/ https://video.ellijaymakerspace.org/), but I think it's an interesting idea. Now I'm not sure whether it would be best to encourage each maker to have their own instance (complex to administrate, unless completely automated, but at least easier to migrate to another handler), followed by a maker-dedicated instance, or directly host everything on a centralized instance.

SexyCyborg 5y ago

Yes, unfortunately it's a bit like trying to run a hotel and not being able to take Visa or Mastercard- just Discover Card. Alternatives in this case don't really help, it's marketshare that produces the income.

xref 5y ago
Not sure the analogy holds when Visa and Mastercard repeatedly warn the hotel they’re violating their ToS, but the hotel dgaf
- SexyCyborg 5y ago
  >Not sure the analogy holds when Visa and Mastercard repeatedly warn the hotel they’re violating their ToS, but the hotel dgaf If the complaint is "your hotel is made of brick" and it's not in the ToS that's a problem. YouTube can't actually cite which of their rules I'm violating- in fact according to their rules I'm fine, and the thing they do have a problem with- my physical shape, would require surgery to bring into compliance with their demands. I'm not doing that.
3np 5y ago
It's a chicken-and-egg-thing though, with the viewers and the uploaders... I think the most realistic path to something better is that content-makers who realize the value in alternatives to the YT model and Google or would like to minimize being dependent on their goodwill, will start to double-post their content to a less controlled alternative (today that would be Peertube and/or LBRY). It will probably not happen over night, but at some point I think that's the best shot at reaching critical mass where it's enough market share to be profitable and all the rest will follow. Even if exposure is initially negligible, keep at it, Rome was not built overnight. Same thing for Twitter... Why not start having a presence on the Fediverse? :) I absolutely get where you're coming from, but now that you're personally experiencing some of the downside of the centralized US/China-centric status quo, rather than only trying to have the dictators be more benevolent, start taking steps to be part of something better? HMU if you're up for it and need help with hosting or whatnot. BTW, really appreciate you doing what you do and coming in and engaging in the comments. I'm sure you're a source of inspiration for many.
- 3np 5y ago
  Hey, I see you're on Odyssey at least \o/ https://odysee.com/@Naomi-SexyCyborg-Wu:b https://odysee.com/@Naomi-SexyCyborg-Wu:b

no_butterscotch 5y ago

sigh Unfortunately, all of those suck. That is the reality. Like it or not. Vimeo has its use case, the arts mostly. Odysee is something I'll check out every now and then, but even there it's just YouTube creators using it as a back-up.

paulpauper 5y ago
use case: being a reminder of why if you have a YouTube channel why not being banned should be your main priority. the drop from #1 to #2 platform is reaaaallllyy steep. Like trying to find eBay alternatives after you lose your ebay account..yeah good luck with that. Or PayPal alternatives. They all suck.

paulpauper 5y ago

awesome ..1/1000 the traffic. no viralness, no recommendations, or discovery, no rev., needing to use 10+ platforms to equal 1/100 the traffic of YouTube

ddtaylor 5y ago
Also your content will likely be sandwiched between a bunch of racist and extremist content.
- meibo 5y ago
  There are well moderated/curated PeerTube instances, just like there are well moderated Mastodon and Matrix instances. You just have to look for them, which is a big problem for a video site(no virality, smaller audience).

aloisdg 5y ago

+1 for a maker oriented Peertube instance.

MayeulC 5y ago
https://tilvids.com https://tilvids.com seems relatively nice, do you have others in mind? I haven't found a dedicated "maker" instance on https://joinpeertube.org/instances https://joinpeertube.org/instances (apart from a specific https://video.ellijaymakerspace.org/ https://video.ellijaymakerspace.org/), but I think it's an interesting idea. Now I'm not sure whether it would be best to encourage each maker to have their own instance (complex to administrate, unless completely automated, but at least easier to migrate to another handler), followed by a maker-dedicated instance, or directly host everything on a centralized instance.