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>You don't know what you're talking about here I do, it's my career. >It came out during the pre-trial motions. The government did not dispute the fact that P

>You don't know what you're talking about here I do, it's my career. >It came out during the pre-trial motions. The government did not dispute the fact that Prof. Chen was paraphrasing someone else, because that was plainly the case. Please provide evidence. >irrational hatred There's nothing irrational about valuing the sanctity of human life and liberty, and holding disdain for a totalitarian, genocidal, evil government that enslaves and manipulates its people for nefarious purposes. Again, you would never question opposition to sharing research with Nazis in the 30s. Every company with more than 50 employees must be boarded by a CCP official. Every research endeavor is required to report directly to the CCP. If you genuinely don't understand how dangerous international collaboration is, then you're beyond naive.

DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
> I do, it's my career. I can only guess at what your career is, but your claim about China not having anything meaningful to contribute to scientific collaborations is absolutely wrong, and indicates a basic unfamiliarity with the state of scientific research in China. China is very quickly becoming a scientific powerhouse. The quality and quantity of research coming out of China is rapidly getting better, and the country already leads in some important fields. > Please provide evidence. Read the pre-trial motions. Anyone who followed the case is aware of the FBI's misrepresentation of the email. In the end, the FBI did not even dispute that Prof. Chen was paraphrasing someone else's words. > Again, you would never question opposition to sharing research with Nazis in the 30s. China is not, in any way, even remotely like Nazi Germany. > There's nothing irrational about valuing the sanctity of human life and liberty, and holding disdain for a totalitarian, genocidal, evil government that enslaves and manipulates its people for nefarious purposes. No, but it is extremely irrational about characterizing China in that way. Most irrational hatred springs from ignorance. If you go to China and tell people they live in an evil country that oppresses them, most people will have no idea what you're on about. It's very hard to overstate just how much life has improved in China over the course of just one generation, and as a result, most Chinese people are extremely positive and hopeful about their country. The view that China is some nightmarish hellhole is really just an outside perception, almost exclusively held by people with virtually no actual knowledge of the country. China is an extremely complicated country, and the simplistic demonization of it in American and European media is cartoonish and uninformed.
- defaultprimate 5y ago
  >China is not, in any way, even remotely like Nazi Germany. Yes it absolutely is. I checked your comment history. I'm not interested in endless discussions with propagandists that have zero objective views regarding China. Weird how my colleagues that immigrated from rural China state that it's exactly like you say it isn't.
  - DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
    > Yes it absolutely is. Well, if you say so. I just think it's an absurd and offensive comparison to draw. China hasn't waged any wars in decades, isn't carrying out any mass killing and doesn't espouse racist ideology. It's not a democracy, but it is a country in which living standards have been improving at a rapid pace for the vast majority of people over the last generation
    - defaultprimate 5y ago
      >Well, if you say so. I just think it's an absurd and offensive comparison to draw It's absurd and offensive that you don't recognize the ongoing atrocities of the CCP and the pure evil behind their political ideology and ambitions. > hasn't waged any wars in decades There are different types of warfare besides physical combat. They regularly wage war on the world through IP theft, espionage, cyber, etc. They also wage war against their own people who dare speak out, have practically enslaved the majority of the population, and violently suppress dissent of any kind. > isn't carrying out any mass killing and doesn't espouse racist ideology Uyghurs would disagree, and the CCP is an ethnocentric political entity. China is a de facto ethnostate. Official commentary on their ventures in Africa would disagree as well. China regularly espouses racism against other east asian ethnicities as well. You are maliciously ignorant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_China
- defaultprimate 5y ago
  Also I found the motions regarding the emails. You're lying that the government truncated was dishonest as the response to motion makes clear, and the fact that the motions were denied. The entire email and follow up are available. If you're going to lie, you should do it about less easy to verify things. The fact that you don't think China is even close to Nazi Germany tells everyone everything they need to know. The urban Germans loved the Nazis too. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/30386048/united-states-v-chen/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/30386048/united-states-...

DiogenesKynikos 5y ago

> I do, it's my career. I can only guess at what your career is, but your claim about China not having anything meaningful to contribute to scientific collaborations is absolutely wrong, and indicates a basic unfamiliarity with the state of scientific research in China. China is very quickly becoming a scientific powerhouse. The quality and quantity of research coming out of China is rapidly getting better, and the country already leads in some important fields. > Please provide evidence. Read the pre-trial motions. Anyone who followed the case is aware of the FBI's misrepresentation of the email. In the end, the FBI did not even dispute that Prof. Chen was paraphrasing someone else's words. > Again, you would never question opposition to sharing research with Nazis in the 30s. China is not, in any way, even remotely like Nazi Germany. > There's nothing irrational about valuing the sanctity of human life and liberty, and holding disdain for a totalitarian, genocidal, evil government that enslaves and manipulates its people for nefarious purposes. No, but it is extremely irrational about characterizing China in that way. Most irrational hatred springs from ignorance. If you go to China and tell people they live in an evil country that oppresses them, most people will have no idea what you're on about. It's very hard to overstate just how much life has improved in China over the course of just one generation, and as a result, most Chinese people are extremely positive and hopeful about their country. The view that China is some nightmarish hellhole is really just an outside perception, almost exclusively held by people with virtually no actual knowledge of the country. China is an extremely complicated country, and the simplistic demonization of it in American and European media is cartoonish and uninformed.

defaultprimate 5y ago
>China is not, in any way, even remotely like Nazi Germany. Yes it absolutely is. I checked your comment history. I'm not interested in endless discussions with propagandists that have zero objective views regarding China. Weird how my colleagues that immigrated from rural China state that it's exactly like you say it isn't.
- DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
  > Yes it absolutely is. Well, if you say so. I just think it's an absurd and offensive comparison to draw. China hasn't waged any wars in decades, isn't carrying out any mass killing and doesn't espouse racist ideology. It's not a democracy, but it is a country in which living standards have been improving at a rapid pace for the vast majority of people over the last generation
  - defaultprimate 5y ago
    >Well, if you say so. I just think it's an absurd and offensive comparison to draw It's absurd and offensive that you don't recognize the ongoing atrocities of the CCP and the pure evil behind their political ideology and ambitions. > hasn't waged any wars in decades There are different types of warfare besides physical combat. They regularly wage war on the world through IP theft, espionage, cyber, etc. They also wage war against their own people who dare speak out, have practically enslaved the majority of the population, and violently suppress dissent of any kind. > isn't carrying out any mass killing and doesn't espouse racist ideology Uyghurs would disagree, and the CCP is an ethnocentric political entity. China is a de facto ethnostate. Official commentary on their ventures in Africa would disagree as well. China regularly espouses racism against other east asian ethnicities as well. You are maliciously ignorant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_China
defaultprimate 5y ago
Also I found the motions regarding the emails. You're lying that the government truncated was dishonest as the response to motion makes clear, and the fact that the motions were denied. The entire email and follow up are available. If you're going to lie, you should do it about less easy to verify things. The fact that you don't think China is even close to Nazi Germany tells everyone everything they need to know. The urban Germans loved the Nazis too. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/30386048/united-states-v-chen/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/30386048/united-states-...