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> If you have more leverage and power than the person you’re trying to silence, then you get to silence them. Yeah. And it turned out Young didn't have more le

> If you have more leverage and power than the person you’re trying to silence, then you get to silence them. Yeah. And it turned out Young didn't have more leverage in this case.

paulcole 5y ago
Yes, but my point is clearly that if Young had more leverage, Rogan would be off Spotify right now.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Why doesn't Young show how much money he is losing by this. I am willing to guess it is $2k/mo. if that.
  - awb 5y ago
    Back of the napkin: $0.004 per play https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-spotify-pay-per-stream/ https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-spotify-pay-per-stream/ ~6M monthly listeners https://www.newsweek.com/spotify-unlikely-drop-joe-rogan-over-neil-young-ultimatum-1672680 https://www.newsweek.com/spotify-unlikely-drop-joe-rogan-ove... $24k/month ~$300k/year Not sure how much goes directly to Neil and how much of a cut the record label gets. Neil Young’s net worth is ~$200M https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/neil-young-net-worth/ https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-s... So, he’s losing about 0.15% of his net worth as a result. Or, if he had a $100k/year salary, about $150 before taxes, maybe around $75 after taxes.
    - ByteJockey 5y ago
      I think that would be for someone with a net worth of $100k, not someone with a $100k/year salary.
    - encryptluks2 5y ago
      https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-money-does-spotify-pay-artists/ https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-money-does-spotify-pay-ar... > Several things come into play for Spotify artist payouts like the listener's subscription tier and country of origin, the number of streams a song has, advertising revenue per market, and distribution contracts. > In a tweet, classical violinist Tasmin Little with 755,000 monthly subscribers has disclosed earning £12.34 ($17) for five to six million streams. The only way we'll know is if they release the information, and my guess is that neither party will do so publicly. I would guess $2k/mo. but I could be wrong. This is still pretty good considering there are multiple streaming platforms. Just checking out Neil Young on YouTube Music he has only approx 440k subscribers, vs someone like Jason Mraz with 3.4M. I am guessing that the numbers on Spotify are likely skewed by a bit as well.
- mike_hock 5y ago
  And my point was clearly one of principle, not an observation of real-world power dynamics.

> If you have more leverage and power than the person you’re trying to silence, then you get to silence them. Yeah. And it turned out Young didn't have more leverage in this case.

paulcole 5y ago

Yes, but my point is clearly that if Young had more leverage, Rogan would be off Spotify right now.

encryptluks2 5y ago
Why doesn't Young show how much money he is losing by this. I am willing to guess it is $2k/mo. if that.
- awb 5y ago
  Back of the napkin: $0.004 per play https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-spotify-pay-per-stream/ https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-spotify-pay-per-stream/ ~6M monthly listeners https://www.newsweek.com/spotify-unlikely-drop-joe-rogan-over-neil-young-ultimatum-1672680 https://www.newsweek.com/spotify-unlikely-drop-joe-rogan-ove... $24k/month ~$300k/year Not sure how much goes directly to Neil and how much of a cut the record label gets. Neil Young’s net worth is ~$200M https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/neil-young-net-worth/ https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-s... So, he’s losing about 0.15% of his net worth as a result. Or, if he had a $100k/year salary, about $150 before taxes, maybe around $75 after taxes.
  - ByteJockey 5y ago
    I think that would be for someone with a net worth of $100k, not someone with a $100k/year salary.
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-money-does-spotify-pay-artists/ https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-money-does-spotify-pay-ar... > Several things come into play for Spotify artist payouts like the listener's subscription tier and country of origin, the number of streams a song has, advertising revenue per market, and distribution contracts. > In a tweet, classical violinist Tasmin Little with 755,000 monthly subscribers has disclosed earning £12.34 ($17) for five to six million streams. The only way we'll know is if they release the information, and my guess is that neither party will do so publicly. I would guess $2k/mo. but I could be wrong. This is still pretty good considering there are multiple streaming platforms. Just checking out Neil Young on YouTube Music he has only approx 440k subscribers, vs someone like Jason Mraz with 3.4M. I am guessing that the numbers on Spotify are likely skewed by a bit as well.
mike_hock 5y ago
And my point was clearly one of principle, not an observation of real-world power dynamics.