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Did anyone expect a different outcome? Rogan supposedly pulls in 200M monthly listeners while Young's spotify page says he gets 6M per month. I imagine Young's

Did anyone expect a different outcome? Rogan supposedly pulls in 200M monthly listeners while Young's spotify page says he gets 6M per month. I imagine Young's manager/label tried their best to talk him down, if this wasn't a stunt for some other purpose.

cosmotic 5y ago
It would only take 34 more artists to have the same demand to make dropping Rogan worth it, which seems doable. I'm glad someone got the ball rolling; Hopefully others take it to the finish line.
- no_butterscotch 5y ago
  I'll immediately leave Spotify too as a user if Spotify bends to the will of Neil Young (and I'm a NY fan as well). I imagine there's more listeners like me, and I assume there's no listeners out there that will suddenly start listening to Spotify if they aren't already.
- zaphod12 5y ago
  Depends on the artist...T. Swift vs. Rogan would be a pretty close thing.
- jameyk 5y ago
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Maybe not. I can't imagine Spotify wanting to set any precedent in this area. Who's to say it would stop with JRE and not end with all of their content creators fighting to platform each other. There is a lot of potential for objections across a broad swath of art.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  Rogan listeners listen for hours on end, how long to Neil Young listeners listen for? You can't compare them 1 to 1. Rogan is better for metrics.
- spiderice 5y ago
  Doesn't work like this. Rogan pulls in people for Podcasts. Otherwise even Spotify users are going to go elsewhere for their podcasts (PocketCast, OverCast, Apple, etc..). 34 artists likely aren't going to be deal breakers for most of the customers. Most will just not listen to those 34 artists rather than leave Spotify.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  Artists are some of the most Free Speech people out there. Going to be a hard sell.
upsidesinclude 5y ago
tomjakubowski 5y ago
Neil Young has fuck you money and is standing on his principles. Nothing his manager could say would dissuade him. He has very little to lose here.
- gexla 5y ago
  Joe Rogan has fuck you money also. Dave Chappelle walked away from a big project because of creative differences. Joe Rogan could do the same if he were forced to. JRE will roll on regardless of what Spotify does. Neil Young will always be Neil Young. The only people hurting here are the decision makers of Spotify.
  - slenk 5y ago
    He lets himself be edited by Spotify (removal of a bunch of episodes) - maybe he doesn't have as much fuck you money as you think.
    - errantmind 5y ago
      You can have both 'fuck you money' and a contract simultaneously.
    - gexla 5y ago
      I don't know the degree of editing that Spotify does. If they are only removing episodes, that's different from constraining Joe Rogan in his creative direction. Note: I may have been wrong about the reasons for Dave Chapelle leaving. If I'm recalling correctly, that was the reason he originally cited when leaving. But more info came out in later interviews. Seems like he just needed a break from the spotlight.
  - edgyquant 5y ago
    Okay? The point is that Neil Young will be no worse off after this.
  - andyjohnson0 5y ago
    They both have fuck you money. One difference is that Joe Rogan is 54 and makes most of his money from producing new content. Neil Young is 76 and makes most of his money from the music that he has already made. Rogan needs Spotify for his future income. Young, much less so.
mahogany 5y ago
> Rogan supposedly pulls in 200M monthly listeners while Young's spotify page says he gets 6M per month. Somewhat pedantic note: this statement seems misleading to me. I think you mean "200M monthly listens", unless you're claiming that 2.5% of the world's population listens to Rogan every month?
- zepto 5y ago
  Why would the two numbers differ significantly?
  - spiderice 5y ago
    Because 1 person can listen to multiple episodes per month, contributing to multiple "listens"
    - zepto 5y ago
      Seems reasonable. Apparently it’s around 11 million per episode.
- jamesgreenleaf 5y ago
  Good point. Spotify uses the term "monthly listeners" and it seems like they do mean unique individuals. That number is 6M for Young, but they don't reveal what it is for Rogan. He's claimed that he gets 200M monthly downloads, so the number of actual listeners is probably smaller.
- TrispusAttucks 5y ago
  According to this Neilsen chart [1] JRE is most watched media at 11 million viewers per show, far ahead of even the number two spot. JRE does 3-4 shows on a typical week. So: 3.5 / 7 * 30 * 11 = 165m So the other 35m per month must be groups of people viewing? Not sure how they took measurements or if this is apples to oranges comparison or if the graph is to be trusted [2]. [1] https://i.redd.it/or4mhemo8j981.jpg https://i.redd.it/or4mhemo8j981.jpg [2] https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/joe-rogan-viewers.html https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/joe-rogan-viewers.html
mc32 5y ago
They had little choice. If you let someone anyone dictate your decisions, others will leverage their power too. Soon, it would descend into who has more clout than whom and the parties shoot at each other in a cross-fire as they race to the bottom. It would be a no-win for Spotify.

cosmotic 5y ago

It would only take 34 more artists to have the same demand to make dropping Rogan worth it, which seems doable. I'm glad someone got the ball rolling; Hopefully others take it to the finish line.

no_butterscotch 5y ago
I'll immediately leave Spotify too as a user if Spotify bends to the will of Neil Young (and I'm a NY fan as well). I imagine there's more listeners like me, and I assume there's no listeners out there that will suddenly start listening to Spotify if they aren't already.
zaphod12 5y ago
Depends on the artist...T. Swift vs. Rogan would be a pretty close thing.
jameyk 5y ago
s1artibartfast 5y ago
Maybe not. I can't imagine Spotify wanting to set any precedent in this area. Who's to say it would stop with JRE and not end with all of their content creators fighting to platform each other. There is a lot of potential for objections across a broad swath of art.
willcipriano 5y ago
Rogan listeners listen for hours on end, how long to Neil Young listeners listen for? You can't compare them 1 to 1. Rogan is better for metrics.
spiderice 5y ago
Doesn't work like this. Rogan pulls in people for Podcasts. Otherwise even Spotify users are going to go elsewhere for their podcasts (PocketCast, OverCast, Apple, etc..). 34 artists likely aren't going to be deal breakers for most of the customers. Most will just not listen to those 34 artists rather than leave Spotify.
edmcnulty101 5y ago
Artists are some of the most Free Speech people out there. Going to be a hard sell.

upsidesinclude 5y ago

tomjakubowski 5y ago

Neil Young has fuck you money and is standing on his principles. Nothing his manager could say would dissuade him. He has very little to lose here.

gexla 5y ago
Joe Rogan has fuck you money also. Dave Chappelle walked away from a big project because of creative differences. Joe Rogan could do the same if he were forced to. JRE will roll on regardless of what Spotify does. Neil Young will always be Neil Young. The only people hurting here are the decision makers of Spotify.
- slenk 5y ago
  He lets himself be edited by Spotify (removal of a bunch of episodes) - maybe he doesn't have as much fuck you money as you think.
  - errantmind 5y ago
    You can have both 'fuck you money' and a contract simultaneously.
  - gexla 5y ago
    I don't know the degree of editing that Spotify does. If they are only removing episodes, that's different from constraining Joe Rogan in his creative direction. Note: I may have been wrong about the reasons for Dave Chapelle leaving. If I'm recalling correctly, that was the reason he originally cited when leaving. But more info came out in later interviews. Seems like he just needed a break from the spotlight.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  Okay? The point is that Neil Young will be no worse off after this.
- andyjohnson0 5y ago
  They both have fuck you money. One difference is that Joe Rogan is 54 and makes most of his money from producing new content. Neil Young is 76 and makes most of his money from the music that he has already made. Rogan needs Spotify for his future income. Young, much less so.

mahogany 5y ago

> Rogan supposedly pulls in 200M monthly listeners while Young's spotify page says he gets 6M per month. Somewhat pedantic note: this statement seems misleading to me. I think you mean "200M monthly listens", unless you're claiming that 2.5% of the world's population listens to Rogan every month?

zepto 5y ago
Why would the two numbers differ significantly?
- spiderice 5y ago
  Because 1 person can listen to multiple episodes per month, contributing to multiple "listens"
  - zepto 5y ago
    Seems reasonable. Apparently it’s around 11 million per episode.
jamesgreenleaf 5y ago
Good point. Spotify uses the term "monthly listeners" and it seems like they do mean unique individuals. That number is 6M for Young, but they don't reveal what it is for Rogan. He's claimed that he gets 200M monthly downloads, so the number of actual listeners is probably smaller.
TrispusAttucks 5y ago
According to this Neilsen chart [1] JRE is most watched media at 11 million viewers per show, far ahead of even the number two spot. JRE does 3-4 shows on a typical week. So: 3.5 / 7 * 30 * 11 = 165m So the other 35m per month must be groups of people viewing? Not sure how they took measurements or if this is apples to oranges comparison or if the graph is to be trusted [2]. [1] https://i.redd.it/or4mhemo8j981.jpg https://i.redd.it/or4mhemo8j981.jpg [2] https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/joe-rogan-viewers.html https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/joe-rogan-viewers.html

mc32 5y ago

They had little choice. If you let someone anyone dictate your decisions, others will leverage their power too. Soon, it would descend into who has more clout than whom and the parties shoot at each other in a cross-fire as they race to the bottom. It would be a no-win for Spotify.