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The article is disingenuous to what happened. The book has contents that violate school board policy. Educators were asked to replace it without changing the pu

The article is disingenuous to what happened. The book has contents that violate school board policy. Educators were asked to replace it without changing the purpose of the module.

slg 5y ago
>The book has contents that violate school board policy. Well I guess the kids can't see the phrase "god damn" or see a drawing of a naked woman when they are learning about the industrialized murder of millions of people. Do you not see how crazy that is? These these kids aren't eight. They are teenagers. They are old enough to learn about these things. This policy is asinine.
JaimeThompson 5y ago
The school has various religious books, including the Christian Bible, in the library and in some classrooms and I don't see them banning it for the same reasons.
- jonhohle 5y ago
  Does the Bible or your other straw man religious books contain content that violates board policies? They don't contain illustrations.
  - JaimeThompson 5y ago
    The major religious books do contain descriptions, graphic, of violence and sexual acts as well as containing curse words. Now that I have provided that do you still feel what I said was a "straw man"?
    - jonhohle 5y ago
      This story has nothing to do with descriptions of violence or sexual acts. I'd like to know what you consider curse words, because, at least the Bible, contains literal curses, but not foul language like we consider it today. The discussion at the meeting was literally about keeping the same lessons but using a source that didn't contain specific words and images that violated board policy. They weren't trying to censor violence or descriptions thereof. > Now that I have provided that do you still feel what I said was a "straw man"? I don't see any concrete examples provided, so yes, I still feel it's a straw man.
      - JaimeThompson 5y ago
        Ezekiel 23:20 is an example of what they would ban from others books. >The discussion at the meeting was literally about keeping the same lessons but using a source that didn't contain specific words and images that violated board policy. Some states and boards have used the exact same method to include language in lessons to say slaves in the South had it better before they got freed and that slavery wasn't always evil. It is a common tactic to downplay events from the past that make people uncomfortable but humanity has shown that we tend to repeat such events so teaching them is important. >I don't see any concrete examples provided, so yes, I still feel it's a straw man. You could have asked for examples and I would have provided them but I do find it interesting that you didn't provide examples in your own post, you did exactly what I did and posted your opinion. Holding others to a standard you do not follow yourself isn't a productive way to have a discussion. I hope you have a pleasant reset of your day.
        jonhohle 5y ago
        There are no “curse words” in Ezekiel. I didn’t say there wasn’t anything lewd or violent in the Bible. The language, while descriptive, is not a literal illustration, as in the school board story. The board specifically doesn’t want to change the lessons being taught, just the material chosen to teach it because it violates board policies. Just because a work covers an important topic doesn’t mean it’s appropriate in all contexts, regardless of the quality of that work (e.g. I wouldn’t want my children watching Schindler’s List at their current age, but they should watch it when they are at the appropriate level of maturity).
        JaimeThompson 5y ago
        > violence or sexual acts > There are no “curse words” in Ezekiel This will be my last response on this topic but, in the future please review what you have previously written as you appear to have misremembered what you wrote previously.
        jonhohle 5y ago

The article is disingenuous to what happened. The book has contents that violate school board policy. Educators were asked to replace it without changing the purpose of the module.

slg 5y ago

>The book has contents that violate school board policy. Well I guess the kids can't see the phrase "god damn" or see a drawing of a naked woman when they are learning about the industrialized murder of millions of people. Do you not see how crazy that is? These these kids aren't eight. They are teenagers. They are old enough to learn about these things. This policy is asinine.

JaimeThompson 5y ago

The school has various religious books, including the Christian Bible, in the library and in some classrooms and I don't see them banning it for the same reasons.

jonhohle 5y ago
Does the Bible or your other straw man religious books contain content that violates board policies? They don't contain illustrations.
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  The major religious books do contain descriptions, graphic, of violence and sexual acts as well as containing curse words. Now that I have provided that do you still feel what I said was a "straw man"?
  - jonhohle 5y ago
    This story has nothing to do with descriptions of violence or sexual acts. I'd like to know what you consider curse words, because, at least the Bible, contains literal curses, but not foul language like we consider it today. The discussion at the meeting was literally about keeping the same lessons but using a source that didn't contain specific words and images that violated board policy. They weren't trying to censor violence or descriptions thereof. > Now that I have provided that do you still feel what I said was a "straw man"? I don't see any concrete examples provided, so yes, I still feel it's a straw man.
    - JaimeThompson 5y ago
      Ezekiel 23:20 is an example of what they would ban from others books. >The discussion at the meeting was literally about keeping the same lessons but using a source that didn't contain specific words and images that violated board policy. Some states and boards have used the exact same method to include language in lessons to say slaves in the South had it better before they got freed and that slavery wasn't always evil. It is a common tactic to downplay events from the past that make people uncomfortable but humanity has shown that we tend to repeat such events so teaching them is important. >I don't see any concrete examples provided, so yes, I still feel it's a straw man. You could have asked for examples and I would have provided them but I do find it interesting that you didn't provide examples in your own post, you did exactly what I did and posted your opinion. Holding others to a standard you do not follow yourself isn't a productive way to have a discussion. I hope you have a pleasant reset of your day.
      - jonhohle 5y ago
        There are no “curse words” in Ezekiel. I didn’t say there wasn’t anything lewd or violent in the Bible. The language, while descriptive, is not a literal illustration, as in the school board story. The board specifically doesn’t want to change the lessons being taught, just the material chosen to teach it because it violates board policies. Just because a work covers an important topic doesn’t mean it’s appropriate in all contexts, regardless of the quality of that work (e.g. I wouldn’t want my children watching Schindler’s List at their current age, but they should watch it when they are at the appropriate level of maturity).
        JaimeThompson 5y ago
        > violence or sexual acts > There are no “curse words” in Ezekiel This will be my last response on this topic but, in the future please review what you have previously written as you appear to have misremembered what you wrote previously.
        jonhohle 5y ago