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It's the only sane decision to be made. I wonder if Neil Young actually listened to the podcast episode. I really doubt it.
by Graffur 5y ago
It's the only sane decision to be made. I wonder if Neil Young actually listened to the podcast episode. I really doubt it.
- mike_hock 5y agoI ain't no fan of Rogan no more, he's gone off the deep end. But yeah, it's the only sane decision not to let one content creator strong arm you into booting other content creators he doesn't like. I don't care if you're right or wrong (because he is right, Rogan is misinformation these days), but you don't get to control who gets to say what.
- paulcole 5y ago> you don't get to control who gets to say what. Of course you do! If you have more leverage and power than the person you’re trying to silence, then you get to silence them. See: Nearly every cop who killed an innocent person up until about the last 5 years.
- mike_hock 5y ago> If you have more leverage and power than the person you’re trying to silence, then you get to silence them. Yeah. And it turned out Young didn't have more leverage in this case.
- paulcole 5y agoYes, but my point is clearly that if Young had more leverage, Rogan would be off Spotify right now.
- encryptluks2 5y agoWhy doesn't Young show how much money he is losing by this. I am willing to guess it is $2k/mo. if that.
- awb 5y agoBack of the napkin: $0.004 per play https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-spotify-pay-per-stream/ https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-spotify-pay-per-stream/ ~6M monthly listeners https://www.newsweek.com/spotify-unlikely-drop-joe-rogan-over-neil-young-ultimatum-1672680 https://www.newsweek.com/spotify-unlikely-drop-joe-rogan-ove... $24k/month ~$300k/year Not sure how much goes directly to Neil and how much of a cut the record label gets. Neil Young’s net worth is ~$200M https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/neil-young-net-worth/ https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-s... So, he’s losing about 0.15% of his net worth as a result. Or, if he had a $100k/year salary, about $150 before taxes, maybe around $75 after taxes.
- ByteJockey 5y agoI think that would be for someone with a net worth of $100k, not someone with a $100k/year salary.
- encryptluks2 5y agohttps://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-money-does-spotify-pay-artists/ https://www.makeuseof.com/how-much-money-does-spotify-pay-ar... > Several things come into play for Spotify artist payouts like the listener's subscription tier and country of origin, the number of streams a song has, advertising revenue per market, and distribution contracts. > In a tweet, classical violinist Tasmin Little with 755,000 monthly subscribers has disclosed earning £12.34 ($17) for five to six million streams. The only way we'll know is if they release the information, and my guess is that neither party will do so publicly. I would guess $2k/mo. but I could be wrong. This is still pretty good considering there are multiple streaming platforms. Just checking out Neil Young on YouTube Music he has only approx 440k subscribers, vs someone like Jason Mraz with 3.4M. I am guessing that the numbers on Spotify are likely skewed by a bit as well.
- mike_hock 5y agoAnd my point was clearly one of principle, not an observation of real-world power dynamics.
- bottled_poe 5y agoIt seems dangerous to be so condoning of censorship. Let people make up their own minds about the validity/importance of the content. The more information that is available the better.
- SantalBlush 5y agoIt didn't seem like that was the point being made in the parent comment, but maybe I misread it.
- ahartmetz 5y agoI don't think it's condoning, it's just stating how it is.
- paulcole 5y agoI’m not condoning censorship. It’s naive to think that if a person with enough power wants to censor me, they won’t be able to accomplish it. Accept it as the way of the world.
- bottled_poe 5y agoRight, I thought you were talking about Spotify's power over Young, but re-reading your comment I think you meant Young vs Rogan.
- croon 5y agoI think they mean anyone/everyone in general terms, not someone specific.
- nsajko 5y agoThis has nothing to do with censorship.
- DevKoala 5y agoWhat were the exact things that Rogan or his guests said that were misinformation? I don't watch him, but the excerpts I watched from the Robert Malone interview weren't misinformation. The guy even seemed to be pro-vax.
- chickenpotpie 5y agoEditing this as I find them: Joe rogan claiming that Texas won’t give vaccines to obese elderly white people because he knows one person that was denied. Denies official source. https://youtu.be/tR0bO1KKl60 https://youtu.be/tR0bO1KKl60 Joe Rogan saying young healthy adults don’t need the vaccine because his two children didn’t have bad symptoms https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexPattyy/status/1387077145156063234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1387077145156063234%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-31215089532281986160.ampproject.net%2F2201141909003%2Fframe.html https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexPattyy/status/138707714515606...
- djrogers 5y agoYou’ve misrepresented that - the story was about monoclonal antibodies, and it has been known and corroborated multiple times for a while now.
- rkk3 5y agoBut neither of those are from the Robert Malone interview? Which is what Neil Young was angry about and what the GP asked for examples of misinformation from.
- ovao 5y agoSpecifically, I think he said that if a 20-year-old healthy person were to ask him if they should get the vaccine, Rogan would say “no”. He then applied the anecdote about his two kids and their experiences to it, which is obviously not very sound justification for the position. To a certain extent it’s understandable that he’d have that position given anecdotal experience, but it wasn’t the right thing to say. Some of the recent data on the risk factors for myocarditis in young people (particularly males) is, however, at the very least, interesting. I’m not a doctor, biologist or immunologist though, so I don’t have any reason to suggest anything regarding vaccine use in young adults either way.
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- skinnymuch 5y agoGavin isn’t left. Or lefty. That is misinformation. 19 years ago Gavin was saying things like: “Last month, he wrote an article for Patrick Buchanan in The American Conservative boasting of having converted Vice readers to conservatism. He actually leans much further to the right than the Republican Party. His views are closer to a white supremacist's. ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of,'' he said. ''I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.”[0] — When was the Proud Boys purportedly just a joke? Also, 4chan, Vice’s non lefty people like Gavin, have hid behind the cover of “just a joke” for decades. There are many times where Gavin calls himself, Proud Boys, or others alt-lite/new right. A distinction that means nothing when the people who label themselves as these, are no different than the alt right. I have a very hard time believing Proud Boys was ever created as a joke in good faith and not as cover. Nothing from quick reading shows your take to be true. Is it not true that Proud Boys was created in 2016 on Taki's Magazine, a far-right/alt-right site? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/style/the-edge-of-hip-vice-the-brand.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/style/the-edge-of-hip-vic...
- UnpossibleJim 5y agoAnd then he had Bernie Sanders on. Should we disavow Bernie Sanders for speaking to a man who has conversations with horrible people? Walter Cronkite had a conversation with Fidel Castro and it was broadcast to millions around America. Was that an abomination, spoiling the minds of the impressionable people too weak to think for themselves?
- awb 5y agoBernie’s interview was in 2019 prior to COVID and BLM, but after Rogan’s transgender comments. And there was backlash: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-rogan-endorsement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-r... In both examples, politicians and news anchors are in the attention business. Same thing with conspiracy theorists. They want your attention. Doctors aren’t supposed to be motivated by attention but by helping people improve or maintain their health.
- coolso 5y agoPeople having open discussions is misinformation?
- newsbinator 5y agoPeople having open discussions with people I like and agree with is wonderful. People having open discussions with people I don't like and disagree with is "giving a platform" and must be punished.
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- newsbinator 5y agoMr. Rogers having an open discussion with a post-WW1 / pre-WW2 Hitler would be fascinating and probably not useless. The problem starts when Hitler is having discussions with only people who listen to Hitler. Without an interlocutor to say "wait a minute, that's crazy talk and here's why", it's easy to fall into an echo chamber of group-think.
- awb 5y agoHitler was a manipulator. He would never come into a discussion with a rational, balanced perspective, or be open to feedback. He wouldn’t even really be speaking with Mr. Rodgers, he’d be using him to talk to disaffected, vulnerable people he can use to further his aims. I agree that it’s interesting to think about a conversation between the two, but only if Hitler approached the conversation in the same way Mr. Rodgers would and unfortunately from history there’s no indication that would ever happen.
- the_doctah 5y agoWe should burn every copy of Mein Kampf right?
- hooande 5y agoAs another comment pointed out, if Taylor Swift or Beyonce joined Neil Young it would really tip the scales. Spotify can't give in to the demands of any one creator, perhaps. But if the right ones got together they could get probably get someone like Joe Rogan booted off the platform
- tzs 5y ago> But yeah, it's the only sane decision not to let one content creator strong arm you into booting other content creators he doesn't like. One difference is that in the case of Young and most other content creators on Spotify, their content is available all over the place. Spotify pays them royalties based on how many people listen to it on Spotify. If Young were saying that he didn't want his music on Spotify unless they dropped, say, Nickleback that would just be ridiculous because Spotify isn't doing anything special with Nickleback. They didn't specifically chose to have Nickleback, and if Nickleback gets any money from Spotify it is proportional to how many people choose to listen that way. With Rogan, Spotify has paid him in advance to make his content exclusively for Spotify. There's a much closer relationship between Rogan and Spotify than between Nickelback and Spotify.