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Some unvaccinated are immunocompromised. I know someone who could not get vaccinated for medical reasons (legitimately), and caught it, and died. It just real

Some unvaccinated are immunocompromised. I know someone who could not get vaccinated for medical reasons (legitimately), and caught it, and died. It just really sucks to know that the person I know would more likely be alive if not for the choices of others.

20after4 5y ago
Vaccination does not prevent one from being contagious. On the contrary, vaccination could lead to more risky behavior. Which of these two people are more likely to spread COVID: 1. An unvaccinated person who rarely leaves their house and avoids contact with people as much as possible. 2. A vaccinated individual with an asymptomatic infection who regularly engages in social activity, confident that their triple-boosted immunity will protect them from serious illness. So yes, the choices of others have an impact, but I don't think it's clear that getting a vaccine is the thing that universally improves the outcome for others. It's individual behaviors more than vaccination status that impact the health of others. The choice to get vaccinated (or not) has little impact on one's chance of shedding the virus. But the change in behavior thanks to vaccine-induced confidence leading to more risky behavior could actually have a negative impact on the health of others.
- tunesmith 5y ago
  Your comment is a potpourri of the kind of fractured logic that has become all too common in this debate. > Vaccination does not prevent one from being contagious. I never said it did, that's not even a counterpoint. Seat belts do not prevent car accident injuries, helmets do not prevent concussions. But they all are effective in reducing the probability. > On the contrary, Note the common form of the straw man. > Vaccination could lead to more risky behavior. "could", an imagining of some sort of scenario that works for whatever reality you're trying to believe in > Which of these two people are more likely to spread COVID: Apparently you think those two options are exhaustive?? Eliding right past the public behavior of the non-immunocompromised unvaccinated? Ignoring the point that if more unvaccinated people were vaccinated and boosted, it would be less likely that vaccinated people engaged in social activity would spread COVID? So, no thank you, I will not ignore a reality that hit me viscerally in favor of your theories of what "could" be true.

20after4 5y ago

Vaccination does not prevent one from being contagious. On the contrary, vaccination could lead to more risky behavior. Which of these two people are more likely to spread COVID: 1. An unvaccinated person who rarely leaves their house and avoids contact with people as much as possible. 2. A vaccinated individual with an asymptomatic infection who regularly engages in social activity, confident that their triple-boosted immunity will protect them from serious illness. So yes, the choices of others have an impact, but I don't think it's clear that getting a vaccine is the thing that universally improves the outcome for others. It's individual behaviors more than vaccination status that impact the health of others. The choice to get vaccinated (or not) has little impact on one's chance of shedding the virus. But the change in behavior thanks to vaccine-induced confidence leading to more risky behavior could actually have a negative impact on the health of others.

tunesmith 5y ago
Your comment is a potpourri of the kind of fractured logic that has become all too common in this debate. > Vaccination does not prevent one from being contagious. I never said it did, that's not even a counterpoint. Seat belts do not prevent car accident injuries, helmets do not prevent concussions. But they all are effective in reducing the probability. > On the contrary, Note the common form of the straw man. > Vaccination could lead to more risky behavior. "could", an imagining of some sort of scenario that works for whatever reality you're trying to believe in > Which of these two people are more likely to spread COVID: Apparently you think those two options are exhaustive?? Eliding right past the public behavior of the non-immunocompromised unvaccinated? Ignoring the point that if more unvaccinated people were vaccinated and boosted, it would be less likely that vaccinated people engaged in social activity would spread COVID? So, no thank you, I will not ignore a reality that hit me viscerally in favor of your theories of what "could" be true.