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I think this is an appropriate way to deal with any ultimatum. It's a much weaker form of "don't negotiate with terrorists". It's in no organizations to embolde

I think this is an appropriate way to deal with any ultimatum. It's a much weaker form of "don't negotiate with terrorists". It's in no organizations to embolden people into bullying them into something. I wish we saw more of this. (As a hedge, most times when I see something principled like this happen, there is some small blowback and instead of letting it pass, the organization capitulates and reverses their decision. We'll see if that happens here)

fngllkj 5y ago
pseudalopex 5y ago
The article said it was Young's decision.
- xupybd 5y ago
  Yes but he offered them a choice to remove Rogan or himself. Spotify chose not to remove Rogan.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    He made the choice. Or assumed what they would choose at least.[1] [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-demands-spotify-remove-music-vaccine-disinformation-1290020/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-dem...
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- chiefalchemist 5y ago
  But it started with Young saying, "Rogan goes or I go." That landed on deaf ears. So Young "decided" to leave.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    It started with Young saying "I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform".[1] [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-demands-spotify-remove-music-vaccine-disinformation-1290020/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-dem...
breakyerself 5y ago
I hope more musicians join him.
- version_five 5y ago
  Thanks for letting me know
  - breakyerself 5y ago
    You're welcome.
- ralusek 5y ago
  I'd love to have to switch between music streaming platforms based off of which musicians disagree with the doctors Joe Rogan has on his podcast.
  - breakyerself 5y ago
    Yeah or Rogan could stop having purveyors of misinformation on his show. That would also work.
    - ralusek 5y ago
      So my options are switching between streaming platforms or having Rogan's podcast censored down to the guests you and Neil Young like? I don't love my options.
      - awb 5y ago
        Sorry, but none of us are entitled to the economic options we desire. You can pick what works best for you or create another option.
        ralusek 5y ago
        You keep referring to my entitlements as if I've done anything other than state my disinterest in the product changes being proposed.
dehrmann 5y ago
I agree that it's the right move. It's Spotify telling artists and content creators that it won't be a part of either their political statements or grudges. Imagine a streaming platform where Eminem tells the platform to remove Machine Gun Kelly or else he's removing his content. And once one person pulls it off, a lot of people will try to do the same.
- vinay427 5y ago
  > It's Spotify telling artists and content creators that it won't be a part of either their political statements or grudges. I realize I'm pulling a quote out of context from your comment, itself a specific reply to another comment. That being said: This doesn't seem to address what I understand to be the issue. I would draw a distinction between political statements based on differences of opinion/perspective and statements that target misinformation. If one believes that the latter is at play, this distinction is relevant, and the idea is somewhat codified (with some variations) in the free speech, hate speech, and libel laws of many jurisdictions for reasons that seem justifiable to me. More specifically, I would have a problem with Spotify engaging in specific political disputes between artists on their platform. I wouldn't have a problem with Spotify adapting their terms to target misinformation on their platform, assuming this was done in good faith and enforced reasonably.

fngllkj 5y ago

pseudalopex 5y ago

The article said it was Young's decision.

xupybd 5y ago
Yes but he offered them a choice to remove Rogan or himself. Spotify chose not to remove Rogan.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  He made the choice. Or assumed what they would choose at least.[1] [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-demands-spotify-remove-music-vaccine-disinformation-1290020/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-dem...
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chiefalchemist 5y ago
But it started with Young saying, "Rogan goes or I go." That landed on deaf ears. So Young "decided" to leave.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  It started with Young saying "I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform".[1] [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-demands-spotify-remove-music-vaccine-disinformation-1290020/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-dem...

breakyerself 5y ago

I hope more musicians join him.

version_five 5y ago
Thanks for letting me know
- breakyerself 5y ago
  You're welcome.
ralusek 5y ago
I'd love to have to switch between music streaming platforms based off of which musicians disagree with the doctors Joe Rogan has on his podcast.
- breakyerself 5y ago
  Yeah or Rogan could stop having purveyors of misinformation on his show. That would also work.
  - ralusek 5y ago
    So my options are switching between streaming platforms or having Rogan's podcast censored down to the guests you and Neil Young like? I don't love my options.
    - awb 5y ago
      Sorry, but none of us are entitled to the economic options we desire. You can pick what works best for you or create another option.
      - ralusek 5y ago
        You keep referring to my entitlements as if I've done anything other than state my disinterest in the product changes being proposed.

dehrmann 5y ago

I agree that it's the right move. It's Spotify telling artists and content creators that it won't be a part of either their political statements or grudges. Imagine a streaming platform where Eminem tells the platform to remove Machine Gun Kelly or else he's removing his content. And once one person pulls it off, a lot of people will try to do the same.

vinay427 5y ago
> It's Spotify telling artists and content creators that it won't be a part of either their political statements or grudges. I realize I'm pulling a quote out of context from your comment, itself a specific reply to another comment. That being said: This doesn't seem to address what I understand to be the issue. I would draw a distinction between political statements based on differences of opinion/perspective and statements that target misinformation. If one believes that the latter is at play, this distinction is relevant, and the idea is somewhat codified (with some variations) in the free speech, hate speech, and libel laws of many jurisdictions for reasons that seem justifiable to me. More specifically, I would have a problem with Spotify engaging in specific political disputes between artists on their platform. I wouldn't have a problem with Spotify adapting their terms to target misinformation on their platform, assuming this was done in good faith and enforced reasonably.