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> right now we know that even the booster provides little ability to stop you from getting omicron This is true, but the data is showing that being boosted mea

> right now we know that even the booster provides little ability to stop you from getting omicron This is true, but the data is showing that being boosted means that catching Omicron when boosted means you are much, much more likely to have a very minor illness. Refusing future boosters comes at the risk of your own health, as well as the health of the people around you.

cguess 5y ago
I'm fully boosted, sat directly across from a friend in a bar booth for over an hour last weekend (figure about 2.5 feet/80cm). She tested positive the next days. I tested negative with PCR twice in the last week however. If was unboosted, much less unvaccinated, I'm 100% sure I'd be positive.
- autokad 5y ago
  well congratulations, I'm boosted and it didnt mean shit, you were probably just lucky
  - AshleyGrant 5y ago
    Actually, you were unlucky. Also, did you end up in the hospital? Did you die? Because by being vaxxed and boosted you greatly increased your chances of having the chance to post ill-informed comments on Hacker News post-recovery.
    - autokad 5y ago
      Omicron rarely sends people to the hospital. check that, so does all other variants of covid19; however, omicron does so at about the same levels as the flu - with or without vaccination. However, stop trying to change the narrative. the comment was that they think they didnt get covid was because they were vaccinated - the idea that we must mandate vaccines because that stops the spread. it doesnt. No I was not unlucky. get your head out of the sand, omicron breaks through the vaccine easily. <pajama caste playbook> Because by being vaxxed and boosted you greatly increased your chances of having the chance to post ill-informed comments on Hacker News post-recovery. hinting at censorship already are you, boy, you just follow the playbook dont you? <pajama caste playbook> we need to mandate vaccinations and masks to stop the spread of covid <data> that's not working <understanding of how the vaccines work> this is not how the vaccines work <non pajama caste> you are violating my cival rights <pajama caste playbook> well it prevents severe disease. you need to be censored for misinformation. you need to be prevented from going outside so I can feel safe because vaccination prevents the spread of covid. <pajama caste playbook> you hate science, science works by censoring those who disagree with the proposed opinion. I worship science so I am the superior caste. I am science, I am good
      - AshleyGrant 5y ago
        Who hurt you? Listen, if you're hell bent on willfully increasing your risk of death/hospitalization, that's on you. The simple fact is being vaccinated drastically reduces the risk of that. Does the current vaccine work as well against Omicron as it did against prior variants? No. But does it work better than literally doing nothing? Yes. And yes, you were unlucky. The vaccines are still 70+% effective at preventing breakthrough infections based on the data we currently have. The vaccine is not ineffective. And it reduces the severity of the infection even in the case of a breakthrough. And as far as OP is concerned, there is a high likelihood that their boosted status did protect them from infection.
        autokad 5y ago
        > Who hurt you? Every time I have to show my vaccination card to be in public. > Listen, if you're hell bent on willfully increasing your risk of death/hospitalization, that's on you. I am vaccinated and boosted. I MAY not want to get boosted AGAIN because it was extremely painful and made me sick for more than a day. I MAY not want to go through that again while taking into account what is happening in the FUTURE with the variants. but I may not have the right to make my own decision due to mandate fanatics > And yes, you were unlucky. The vaccines are still 70+% effective at preventing breakthrough infections based on the data we currently have. do you even know what that means? what does it mean to be '70% effective'? How long does this effectiveness last? effective against what (covid19, delta, omicron)? Are you talking about vaccinated 1, 2, or booster? I know personally 20 people who have gotten it. 15 vaccinated 5 Unvaccinated. We have been having more than 600k cases per day since the beginning of January. I'm guessing there is A LOT of break through cases in that. > And as far as OP is concerned, there is a high likelihood that their boosted status did protect them from infection. If they were sitting across from me when I was feverish from omi, they would have gotten it. keep in mind, I was infected by someone who was vaccinated.
throw_nbvc1234 5y ago
> Refusing future boosters comes at the risk of your own health, as well as the health of the people around you. And some scientists think that repeated boosters will backfire and lead to waning immunity or at least immunity better centered around the exact strain the vaccine is made (so could be mitigated by different boosters). Plus downsides of repeatedly have to make time to get boosters, taking doses from people who haven't even had the opportunity to get a single dose. Differences in risk between a healthy under 30 and an unhealthy over 65. It's possible that your statement is correct for some demographics and incorrect for others. But that nuance is not in the current discussion or the current mandates; and that nuance could save lives in less-developed countries.
- AshleyGrant 5y ago
  > And some scientists think that repeated boosters will backfire and lead to waning immunity * citation needed * > or at least immunity better centered around the exact strain the vaccine is made Given how mRNA vaccines work, there's nothing stopping the producers from putting as many different "instructions" as they wish in a single dose. But anyways, again * citation needed * > Plus downsides of repeatedly have to make time to get boosters Boo frickin' hoo. Even if we have to get quarterly boosters, that's four times a year. You're on Hacker News, you obviously have spare time on your hands. > taking doses from people who haven't even had the opportunity to get a single dose At this point, in the developed world, there's no one left who hasn't had "the opportunity to get a single dose." In fact, we have vaccines going bad due to anti-vaxers refusing to get vaccinated. And realize that a vial of vaccine sitting in the WalMart or CVS down the street isn't going to magically get repositioned to Africa due to Americans refusing it. > Differences in risk between a healthy under 30 and an unhealthy over 65. You know what drastically lowers the risks of COVID infection, both in terms of getting infected in the first place and the chance of bad outcomes if you do contract it? GETTING VACCINATED. > throw_nbvc1234 1 hour ago | parent | context | flag | on: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine ... > Refusing future boosters comes at the risk of your own health, as well as the health of the people around you. And some scientists think that repeated boosters will backfire and lead to waning immunity or at least immunity better centered around the exact strain the vaccine is made (so could be mitigated by different boosters). Plus downsides of repeatedly have to make time to get boosters, taking doses from people who haven't even had the opportunity to get a single dose. Differences in risk between a healthy under 30 and an unhealthy over 65. It's possible that your statement is correct for some demographics and incorrect for others. But that nuance is not in the current discussion or the current mandates; and that nuance could save lives in less-developed countries. Based on your comment history, you're American, so you're not helping anyone in "less-developed" countries by refusing a vaccine. You're just exposing yourself and your community to a higher level of risk.
Mezzie 5y ago
I'm curious what you think of situations like mine: I have MS, and I'm not sure that frequently boosting my immune system when I have an autoimmune disease is the best idea. In addition, I'm in a single-income WFH household and we easily isolated when we got omicron. My sister and I literally caught Omicron together and just quarantined for 14 days. We had our mother drop off stuff on the doorstep so we didn't have to go out/expose anyone. It was boring, but I'm damn sure we didn't infect anyone.
- AshleyGrant 5y ago
  I'm a software developer, not a medical professional, so my opinion doesn't really matter for your situation. What I will say is that it took three seconds to google "covid vaccine multiple sclerosis" and I came to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society's COVID-19 page which says, "People with MS should be vaccinated against COVID-19...None of the available vaccines contain live virus and the vaccines will not cause COVID-19. The vaccines are not likely to trigger an MS relapse or have any impact on long-term disease progression. The risk of getting COVID-19 far outweighs any risk of having an MS relapse from the vaccine."
  - Mezzie 5y ago
    I'm double-vaccinated, I'm just not boosted. (I'm similar to someone else in this thread in that I was waiting for more information before getting boosted and caught Omicron first). I think boosters are a good idea for the general population, I just think that there might be a difference between 2 doses once and repeated activation of the immune system. Also there's a difference between the risk posed by the original variant or Delta vs. Omicron. Plus to be completely blunt, "not likely to trigger an MS relapse or have any impact on long-term disease progression" isn't language to inspire confidence. To be fair, I think we understand the vaccines pretty damn well, it's MS that I think we might not understand well enough here.
autokad 5y ago
> as well as the health of the people around you 'the science' says you are wrong. the vaccines do not prevent spread. that is very very very clear in the data now, so stop spreading that nonsense
autokad 5y ago
> as well as the health of the people around you 'the science' says you are wrong. the vaccines do not prevent spread. that is very very very clear in the data now, so stop spreading that nonsense that assumption relied on at least 3 things being true: #1 ) having lower symptoms from the vaccine would not encourage those shedding the virus but not being observably sick to go out and spread the disease (*hint this is probably a pretty bad assumption) #2 ) the vaccine would reduce viral load #3 ) a reduction of viral load would prevent you from spreading it to others It turns out the vaccine does not lower viral load. and even though this has been shown to be medically true, you can see that in places like Isreal and Germany where the virus spreads pretty easily. hell, even in the US, you dont get nearly 1m cases a day without vaccinated people spreading it.

cguess 5y ago

I'm fully boosted, sat directly across from a friend in a bar booth for over an hour last weekend (figure about 2.5 feet/80cm). She tested positive the next days. I tested negative with PCR twice in the last week however. If was unboosted, much less unvaccinated, I'm 100% sure I'd be positive.

autokad 5y ago
well congratulations, I'm boosted and it didnt mean shit, you were probably just lucky
- AshleyGrant 5y ago
  Actually, you were unlucky. Also, did you end up in the hospital? Did you die? Because by being vaxxed and boosted you greatly increased your chances of having the chance to post ill-informed comments on Hacker News post-recovery.
  - autokad 5y ago
    Omicron rarely sends people to the hospital. check that, so does all other variants of covid19; however, omicron does so at about the same levels as the flu - with or without vaccination. However, stop trying to change the narrative. the comment was that they think they didnt get covid was because they were vaccinated - the idea that we must mandate vaccines because that stops the spread. it doesnt. No I was not unlucky. get your head out of the sand, omicron breaks through the vaccine easily. <pajama caste playbook> Because by being vaxxed and boosted you greatly increased your chances of having the chance to post ill-informed comments on Hacker News post-recovery. hinting at censorship already are you, boy, you just follow the playbook dont you? <pajama caste playbook> we need to mandate vaccinations and masks to stop the spread of covid <data> that's not working <understanding of how the vaccines work> this is not how the vaccines work <non pajama caste> you are violating my cival rights <pajama caste playbook> well it prevents severe disease. you need to be censored for misinformation. you need to be prevented from going outside so I can feel safe because vaccination prevents the spread of covid. <pajama caste playbook> you hate science, science works by censoring those who disagree with the proposed opinion. I worship science so I am the superior caste. I am science, I am good
    - AshleyGrant 5y ago
      Who hurt you? Listen, if you're hell bent on willfully increasing your risk of death/hospitalization, that's on you. The simple fact is being vaccinated drastically reduces the risk of that. Does the current vaccine work as well against Omicron as it did against prior variants? No. But does it work better than literally doing nothing? Yes. And yes, you were unlucky. The vaccines are still 70+% effective at preventing breakthrough infections based on the data we currently have. The vaccine is not ineffective. And it reduces the severity of the infection even in the case of a breakthrough. And as far as OP is concerned, there is a high likelihood that their boosted status did protect them from infection.
      - autokad 5y ago
        > Who hurt you? Every time I have to show my vaccination card to be in public. > Listen, if you're hell bent on willfully increasing your risk of death/hospitalization, that's on you. I am vaccinated and boosted. I MAY not want to get boosted AGAIN because it was extremely painful and made me sick for more than a day. I MAY not want to go through that again while taking into account what is happening in the FUTURE with the variants. but I may not have the right to make my own decision due to mandate fanatics > And yes, you were unlucky. The vaccines are still 70+% effective at preventing breakthrough infections based on the data we currently have. do you even know what that means? what does it mean to be '70% effective'? How long does this effectiveness last? effective against what (covid19, delta, omicron)? Are you talking about vaccinated 1, 2, or booster? I know personally 20 people who have gotten it. 15 vaccinated 5 Unvaccinated. We have been having more than 600k cases per day since the beginning of January. I'm guessing there is A LOT of break through cases in that. > And as far as OP is concerned, there is a high likelihood that their boosted status did protect them from infection. If they were sitting across from me when I was feverish from omi, they would have gotten it. keep in mind, I was infected by someone who was vaccinated.

throw_nbvc1234 5y ago

> Refusing future boosters comes at the risk of your own health, as well as the health of the people around you. And some scientists think that repeated boosters will backfire and lead to waning immunity or at least immunity better centered around the exact strain the vaccine is made (so could be mitigated by different boosters). Plus downsides of repeatedly have to make time to get boosters, taking doses from people who haven't even had the opportunity to get a single dose. Differences in risk between a healthy under 30 and an unhealthy over 65. It's possible that your statement is correct for some demographics and incorrect for others. But that nuance is not in the current discussion or the current mandates; and that nuance could save lives in less-developed countries.

AshleyGrant 5y ago
> And some scientists think that repeated boosters will backfire and lead to waning immunity * citation needed * > or at least immunity better centered around the exact strain the vaccine is made Given how mRNA vaccines work, there's nothing stopping the producers from putting as many different "instructions" as they wish in a single dose. But anyways, again * citation needed * > Plus downsides of repeatedly have to make time to get boosters Boo frickin' hoo. Even if we have to get quarterly boosters, that's four times a year. You're on Hacker News, you obviously have spare time on your hands. > taking doses from people who haven't even had the opportunity to get a single dose At this point, in the developed world, there's no one left who hasn't had "the opportunity to get a single dose." In fact, we have vaccines going bad due to anti-vaxers refusing to get vaccinated. And realize that a vial of vaccine sitting in the WalMart or CVS down the street isn't going to magically get repositioned to Africa due to Americans refusing it. > Differences in risk between a healthy under 30 and an unhealthy over 65. You know what drastically lowers the risks of COVID infection, both in terms of getting infected in the first place and the chance of bad outcomes if you do contract it? GETTING VACCINATED. > throw_nbvc1234 1 hour ago | parent | context | flag | on: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine ... > Refusing future boosters comes at the risk of your own health, as well as the health of the people around you. And some scientists think that repeated boosters will backfire and lead to waning immunity or at least immunity better centered around the exact strain the vaccine is made (so could be mitigated by different boosters). Plus downsides of repeatedly have to make time to get boosters, taking doses from people who haven't even had the opportunity to get a single dose. Differences in risk between a healthy under 30 and an unhealthy over 65. It's possible that your statement is correct for some demographics and incorrect for others. But that nuance is not in the current discussion or the current mandates; and that nuance could save lives in less-developed countries. Based on your comment history, you're American, so you're not helping anyone in "less-developed" countries by refusing a vaccine. You're just exposing yourself and your community to a higher level of risk.

Mezzie 5y ago

I'm curious what you think of situations like mine: I have MS, and I'm not sure that frequently boosting my immune system when I have an autoimmune disease is the best idea. In addition, I'm in a single-income WFH household and we easily isolated when we got omicron. My sister and I literally caught Omicron together and just quarantined for 14 days. We had our mother drop off stuff on the doorstep so we didn't have to go out/expose anyone. It was boring, but I'm damn sure we didn't infect anyone.

AshleyGrant 5y ago
I'm a software developer, not a medical professional, so my opinion doesn't really matter for your situation. What I will say is that it took three seconds to google "covid vaccine multiple sclerosis" and I came to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society's COVID-19 page which says, "People with MS should be vaccinated against COVID-19...None of the available vaccines contain live virus and the vaccines will not cause COVID-19. The vaccines are not likely to trigger an MS relapse or have any impact on long-term disease progression. The risk of getting COVID-19 far outweighs any risk of having an MS relapse from the vaccine."
- Mezzie 5y ago
  I'm double-vaccinated, I'm just not boosted. (I'm similar to someone else in this thread in that I was waiting for more information before getting boosted and caught Omicron first). I think boosters are a good idea for the general population, I just think that there might be a difference between 2 doses once and repeated activation of the immune system. Also there's a difference between the risk posed by the original variant or Delta vs. Omicron. Plus to be completely blunt, "not likely to trigger an MS relapse or have any impact on long-term disease progression" isn't language to inspire confidence. To be fair, I think we understand the vaccines pretty damn well, it's MS that I think we might not understand well enough here.

autokad 5y ago

> as well as the health of the people around you 'the science' says you are wrong. the vaccines do not prevent spread. that is very very very clear in the data now, so stop spreading that nonsense

autokad 5y ago

> as well as the health of the people around you 'the science' says you are wrong. the vaccines do not prevent spread. that is very very very clear in the data now, so stop spreading that nonsense that assumption relied on at least 3 things being true: #1 ) having lower symptoms from the vaccine would not encourage those shedding the virus but not being observably sick to go out and spread the disease (*hint this is probably a pretty bad assumption) #2 ) the vaccine would reduce viral load #3 ) a reduction of viral load would prevent you from spreading it to others It turns out the vaccine does not lower viral load. and even though this has been shown to be medically true, you can see that in places like Isreal and Germany where the virus spreads pretty easily. hell, even in the US, you dont get nearly 1m cases a day without vaccinated people spreading it.