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The ability for humans to focus on a vanishingly small risk of side-effects to justify taking a much larger risk by refusing to vaccinate is mind-boggling to me

The ability for humans to focus on a vanishingly small risk of side-effects to justify taking a much larger risk by refusing to vaccinate is mind-boggling to me. It's the same argument that people use to justify not wearing a seat belt. "There's types of wrecks where being unbelted is actually safer!" Well, sure, but those are an extremely tiny portion of wrecks, and you're vastly safer in the vast, vast majority of wrecks wearing a seat belt. Get the damned vaccine. If you experience side effects, then that sucks, you lost the lottery. The CDC reports: * Anaphylaxis happens to 5 people per million vaccinated. (0.0005% rate) * Thrombosis with TTS after J&J vaccine. 57 confirmed in more than 18 million doses (0.0003% rate) * GBS after J&J vaccine. 302 cases in more than 18 million doses (0.0017% rate) * Myocarditis. 1233 reports in total. * Death. 11,657 deaths among vaccinated. Note that this is death for any reason. A vaccinated person mauled to death by a bear is counted here. (0.0022% rate) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad... * edit for formatting

lilsoso 5y ago
For young males, the risk of myocarditis strikes me as underappreciated. To quote the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/health/researchers-find-a-higher-than-expected-risk-of-myocarditis-in-young-men-after-full-vaccination.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/health/researchers-find-a...): "Males between 16 and 29 years of age have an increased risk of developing heart problems after receiving a second dose of coronavirus vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNtech or Moderna, according to a large new analysis published on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine. The study, conducted in Israel, estimated that nearly 11 of every 100,000 males in that age group developed myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, a few days after having been fully vaccinated."
- PickledHotdog 5y ago
  Isn't myocarditis something you can get when you have a virus (even non-Covid). I wonder what the myocarditis rates are for covid patients in that age range
- AshleyGrant 5y ago
  OH NO! 11 out of 100,000 males!!! GOD FORBID!! That's 0.011%!! The risk is so high!!!! Why don't we just quote the part you conveniently left out: "For every million vaccinated boys ages 12 to 17, the shots might cause a maximum of 70 myocarditis cases, but would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalizations and two deaths, the agency has estimated... One of the new studies looked at data from 2.5 million vaccinated members of Israel’s largest health care network who were aged 16 years or above. The researchers identified 54 cases of myocarditis, and deemed 41 of them to be mild." So 54 cases out of 2.5 million people vaccinated. And it likely prevented over 10,000 infections, 500 hospitalizations, and 5 deaths. It really, really sucks for those folks. But the benefits VASTLY (orders of magnitude) outweigh the risks. The risk isn't "underappreciated." The risk is statistically insignificant compared to the protection offered by vaccination.
ipaddr 5y ago
Those are the major reported prizes. There are many more high tension, depressed, generally unwell, joints swelling winners with brain fog. It's gamble, the next booster might be the one that gets you. And you'll need a booster because it only lasts a few months anyhow.
- AshleyGrant 5y ago
  This isn't a "gamble." No one would gamble if the house offered these odds. The gamble is NOT getting the vaccine. You're gambling with your life, possibly. And you're much more likely to get a "prize" like death, hospitalization, long COVID, etc if you refuse to get vaccinated. Like tens or even hundreds of thousands of times more likely.

lilsoso 5y ago

For young males, the risk of myocarditis strikes me as underappreciated. To quote the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/health/researchers-find-a-higher-than-expected-risk-of-myocarditis-in-young-men-after-full-vaccination.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/health/researchers-find-a...): "Males between 16 and 29 years of age have an increased risk of developing heart problems after receiving a second dose of coronavirus vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNtech or Moderna, according to a large new analysis published on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine. The study, conducted in Israel, estimated that nearly 11 of every 100,000 males in that age group developed myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, a few days after having been fully vaccinated."

PickledHotdog 5y ago
Isn't myocarditis something you can get when you have a virus (even non-Covid). I wonder what the myocarditis rates are for covid patients in that age range
AshleyGrant 5y ago
OH NO! 11 out of 100,000 males!!! GOD FORBID!! That's 0.011%!! The risk is so high!!!! Why don't we just quote the part you conveniently left out: "For every million vaccinated boys ages 12 to 17, the shots might cause a maximum of 70 myocarditis cases, but would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalizations and two deaths, the agency has estimated... One of the new studies looked at data from 2.5 million vaccinated members of Israel’s largest health care network who were aged 16 years or above. The researchers identified 54 cases of myocarditis, and deemed 41 of them to be mild." So 54 cases out of 2.5 million people vaccinated. And it likely prevented over 10,000 infections, 500 hospitalizations, and 5 deaths. It really, really sucks for those folks. But the benefits VASTLY (orders of magnitude) outweigh the risks. The risk isn't "underappreciated." The risk is statistically insignificant compared to the protection offered by vaccination.

ipaddr 5y ago

Those are the major reported prizes. There are many more high tension, depressed, generally unwell, joints swelling winners with brain fog. It's gamble, the next booster might be the one that gets you. And you'll need a booster because it only lasts a few months anyhow.

AshleyGrant 5y ago
This isn't a "gamble." No one would gamble if the house offered these odds. The gamble is NOT getting the vaccine. You're gambling with your life, possibly. And you're much more likely to get a "prize" like death, hospitalization, long COVID, etc if you refuse to get vaccinated. Like tens or even hundreds of thousands of times more likely.