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One problem I am having is that on the left I thought things were pretty high quality from a facts / science side, and that has eroded. Fair disclosure - I'm a

One problem I am having is that on the left I thought things were pretty high quality from a facts / science side, and that has eroded. Fair disclosure - I'm a max dem donor and will likely continue to vote 100% dem. 7,000 (!) scientists have signed the John Snow memorandum. It states that "Furthermore, there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection". https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/john-snow-memo.html https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/john-snow-memo.html 6th paragraph This is despite the fact that our immune system has shown to work, pretty well, for almost ALL other influenzas and pandemics, that almost all analogous types of infections have LONG lasting natural immunity (MERS / SARS etc) etc. The CDC director has signed this letter. So we have a problem. CDC blocks testing, then says masks don't help, then says only vaccines can protect us. All these have (or will likely be) obviously false. So trust in the left I think is diminishing - too many lawyers? Too many folks focused on politics? Too many public health officials / scientists and not enough hard science folks?

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
Sorry, how is this a left/right issue? The actions you describe the CDC having undertaken were under a right wing government. I don't know how you're making this a political divide issue.
- umvi 5y ago
  He's not pointing fingers at the other party, he's saying his trust in his own party has eroded.
  - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
    I'm not saying they are pointing fingers, I'm asking how is this evidence of his own party being a problem so as to cause distrust?
    - onphonenow 5y ago
      The right has basically as far as I can see said get on with your lives, do what you want. So I can wear a mask if I want as I understand it. I can get a vaccine if I want. If I've had covid I might decide that may provide some immunity. I can go to the beach if I want etc. So while I don't agree with the right on many of their views (ie, vaccine effectiveness to the degree they have doubts there) - the rights views with respect to COVID seem less intrusive.
OrvalWintermute 5y ago
> then says masks don't help Actually, they said this: Masks don't help Masks do help, but save them for the healthcare workers Masks do help, get one, a cloth one is fine. Masks do help, double-mask Mask do help, but you need N95 masks Given that even with a properly fitting N95 mask that is form fitting you can still smell everything right through it, I think a properly fit, and negative pressure tested N100 or P100 is likely the actual protective standard of solid protection. Unfortunately, I have a few P100s sitting around and I can tell you that sleeping in one, or wearing one reguarly around town makes me feel I am living in a post apocalyptic dystopian future. Think 12 monkeys(1) minus the full chem/bio suit and crazy decon procedures. This whole ordeal has greatly shaken my faith in technocratic government. (1) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/
- redisman 5y ago
  A mask someone could wear for hours will never block all smells. Even in a N99 you still smell gases and other small things
  - omgitsabird 5y ago
    You can wear a SCBA for hours. You can also find P100 cartridges that eliminate smells from VOCs and "gases".
  - OrvalWintermute 5y ago
    You are comparing very different standards e.g. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/default.html https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part... N95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil. Surgical N95 – A NIOSH-approved N95 respirator that has also been cleared by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a surgical mask. N99 – Filters at least 99% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil. N100 – Filters at least 99.97% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil. R95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Somewhat resistant to oil. P95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil. P99 – Filters at least 99% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil. P100 – Filters at least 99.97% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil. Additionally, see https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-42/part-84 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-42/part-84

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago

Sorry, how is this a left/right issue? The actions you describe the CDC having undertaken were under a right wing government. I don't know how you're making this a political divide issue.

umvi 5y ago
He's not pointing fingers at the other party, he's saying his trust in his own party has eroded.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  I'm not saying they are pointing fingers, I'm asking how is this evidence of his own party being a problem so as to cause distrust?
  - onphonenow 5y ago
    The right has basically as far as I can see said get on with your lives, do what you want. So I can wear a mask if I want as I understand it. I can get a vaccine if I want. If I've had covid I might decide that may provide some immunity. I can go to the beach if I want etc. So while I don't agree with the right on many of their views (ie, vaccine effectiveness to the degree they have doubts there) - the rights views with respect to COVID seem less intrusive.

OrvalWintermute 5y ago

> then says masks don't help Actually, they said this: Masks don't help Masks do help, but save them for the healthcare workers Masks do help, get one, a cloth one is fine. Masks do help, double-mask Mask do help, but you need N95 masks Given that even with a properly fitting N95 mask that is form fitting you can still smell everything right through it, I think a properly fit, and negative pressure tested N100 or P100 is likely the actual protective standard of solid protection. Unfortunately, I have a few P100s sitting around and I can tell you that sleeping in one, or wearing one reguarly around town makes me feel I am living in a post apocalyptic dystopian future. Think 12 monkeys(1) minus the full chem/bio suit and crazy decon procedures. This whole ordeal has greatly shaken my faith in technocratic government. (1) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/

redisman 5y ago
A mask someone could wear for hours will never block all smells. Even in a N99 you still smell gases and other small things
- omgitsabird 5y ago
  You can wear a SCBA for hours. You can also find P100 cartridges that eliminate smells from VOCs and "gases".
- OrvalWintermute 5y ago
  You are comparing very different standards e.g. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/default.html https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part... N95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil. Surgical N95 – A NIOSH-approved N95 respirator that has also been cleared by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a surgical mask. N99 – Filters at least 99% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil. N100 – Filters at least 99.97% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil. R95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Somewhat resistant to oil. P95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil. P99 – Filters at least 99% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil. P100 – Filters at least 99.97% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil. Additionally, see https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-42/part-84 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-42/part-84