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Source? That might mean we’re approaching herd immunity and critical mass for vaccinated people in the population, which would be fantastic.
by mlac 5y ago
Source? That might mean we’re approaching herd immunity and critical mass for vaccinated people in the population, which would be fantastic.
- ipaddr 5y agohttps://covid-19.ontario.ca/data#casesByVaccinationStatus https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data#casesByVaccinationStatus
- bonzini 5y agoThe same source gives roughly 60/40 for hospitalizations and 50/50 for ICU, so the more severe the symptoms the more vaccinations help.
- ipaddr 5y agoThe ICU stat is tricky. They classify anyone who they don't know their vax status as non-vaxxed. Many people who come into the ICU can't speak, fill out paperwork. They are classified as non-vaxxed. By the time they recover enough to share their status they get transferred out of the ICU. Probably the most misleading stat of them all.
- bonzini 5y agoIf somebody comes in the ICU with COVID symptoms, it's extremely likely that they were hospitalized earlier and thus their vaccination status is known. If somebody comes in the ICU without non-COVID symptoms, they aren't in the statistic, in other words you need to make the probability of "unknown status" conditional on being in the ICU for COVID.
- indymike 5y ago8% of the population in the paper are not vaccinated. 27% of hospitalizations are not vaccinated. ~50% of ICU cases are not vaccinated. The conclusion is that people are bad at understanding statistics.
- ipaddr 5y agoThe labeling for the data is tricky. If you don't actually dive in you will miss it. 8% are not vaccinated at all. 27% are not vaccinated, partially vaccinated or unknown status 50% of the ICU cases are not vaccinated, partially vaccinated or unknown status. It is good to understand that 1/2 of the people who come into the ICU are reported as unknown vaccine status by default because they can't speak or fill out paperwork. I use to produce these reports for this government and the ones before for years . Presenting facts a certain way is what happens and reports get rescoped when the data doesn't agree with the intended outcome.
- indymike 5y ago8% of the population has had no vaccination at all and 27% of hospitalized have had no vaccination at all. The unvaccinated and hospitalized population is THREE TIMES higher than it should be. That is the story in this report. > I use to produce these reports for this government and the ones before for years . Presenting facts a certain way is what happens and reports get rescoped when the data doesn't agree with the intended outcome. Are you saying the numbers presented in this report are not accurate or were fudged in some way?
- ipaddr 5y agoI don't think you should lump unknown and unvaxxed. It creates a false impression. ICU numbers would look different. Most people in the ICU are unknown. I could go on about hospital visits for non covid reasons being lumped with covid hospital visits. I have issues with how data is collected in the field. I have issues with the reclassifications that go back and claim covid killed this patients after dying of other reasons. I have issues with what they decide to collect and what information they ignore.
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