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> It's not likely to increase my immunity and it comes with risks. Can you explain what risks you're referring to here?

by bink 5y ago

mlac 5y ago
There have been side effects from the vaccine, including documented cases of really bad reactions [1],[2]. I’m double vaxxed, boosted, and got covid. But to say the shot is without risks is disingenuous. That said, the risk of dying unvaccinated from COVID is much greater than the risks of vaccine. And it’s unclear if side effects from the shot are correlated to worse outcomes from COVID (e.g. It’s unknown if these people who were paralyzed definitely would have died when they contracted covid, so paralysis is a potentially better outcome). [1] https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-recovery-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/ https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-... [2] https://www.wkrn.com/news/nashville-woman-partially-paralyzed-after-rare-reaction-to-covid-vaccine-walks-again/ https://www.wkrn.com/news/nashville-woman-partially-paralyze...
- edmundsauto 5y ago
  The relevant risk for your situation is vaccine risk, versus risk of reinfection (not just hospitalization, but also long term effects). The math may still work out for your preferred choice, but i wanted to point out that it’s fallacious to dismiss the (rare) risks from reinfection, especially when focusing on the (rare) risks from the vaccine. You may have said this and I just missed it, but both those risks are small and honestly boils down to a preference IMO. I may just have missed in your comment where you made the right comparison, in which case I’m being a bit pedantic without cause and I apologize.
  - jader201 5y ago
    You really went out of your way, there, to cover any potential misinterpretation. Thanks for being a considerate part of the community!
  - eloff 5y ago
    I don't think you'll get any more functional immunity from an extra shot of vaccine compared to two and an infection. So the benefit side of the calculation is lacking. While the vaccine risks are very small, they're also highest for those who have had the actual infection. There will be little bits of virus lingering in my body for a long time. If I get that vaccine, my immune system is going to go ape attacking them, and maybe do some collateral damage in the process. To be clear, I still think the risk is small, but so is is the benefit. I don't think it's worth it. Thanks for writing a detailed comment of your thinking, I think we both are evaluating it the same way, I just wasn't very clear with my initial wording.
    - edmundsauto 5y ago
      > I don't think you'll get any more functional immunity from an extra shot of vaccine compared to two and an infection. The evidence disagrees with your opinion.
ipaddr 5y ago
Inflammation, memory loss, swollen lymph, chest pains, feeling sicks for months, no energy, trouble breathing. You thought the vaccines were risk free?
- AshleyGrant 5y ago
  The ability for humans to focus on a vanishingly small risk of side-effects to justify taking a much larger risk by refusing to vaccinate is mind-boggling to me. It's the same argument that people use to justify not wearing a seat belt. "There's types of wrecks where being unbelted is actually safer!" Well, sure, but those are an extremely tiny portion of wrecks, and you're vastly safer in the vast, vast majority of wrecks wearing a seat belt. Get the damned vaccine. If you experience side effects, then that sucks, you lost the lottery. The CDC reports: * Anaphylaxis happens to 5 people per million vaccinated. (0.0005% rate) * Thrombosis with TTS after J&J vaccine. 57 confirmed in more than 18 million doses (0.0003% rate) * GBS after J&J vaccine. 302 cases in more than 18 million doses (0.0017% rate) * Myocarditis. 1233 reports in total. * Death. 11,657 deaths among vaccinated. Note that this is death for any reason. A vaccinated person mauled to death by a bear is counted here. (0.0022% rate) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad... * edit for formatting
  - lilsoso 5y ago
    For young males, the risk of myocarditis strikes me as underappreciated. To quote the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/health/researchers-find-a-higher-than-expected-risk-of-myocarditis-in-young-men-after-full-vaccination.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/health/researchers-find-a...): "Males between 16 and 29 years of age have an increased risk of developing heart problems after receiving a second dose of coronavirus vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNtech or Moderna, according to a large new analysis published on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine. The study, conducted in Israel, estimated that nearly 11 of every 100,000 males in that age group developed myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, a few days after having been fully vaccinated."
    - 5y ago
autokad 5y ago
my first 2 shots were fine, but my booster f'ed me up. I was in lots of body pain for 36 hours. 5 weeks later I caught omicron. I imagine by some point this year Ill be considered not fully vaccinated, but right now my desire to get another booster is very small. right now we know that even the booster provides little ability to stop you from getting omicron. likely by the next mandated booster the variant of the time will also easily surpass the booster.
- AshleyGrant 5y ago
  > right now we know that even the booster provides little ability to stop you from getting omicron This is true, but the data is showing that being boosted means that catching Omicron when boosted means you are much, much more likely to have a very minor illness. Refusing future boosters comes at the risk of your own health, as well as the health of the people around you.
  - cguess 5y ago
    I'm fully boosted, sat directly across from a friend in a bar booth for over an hour last weekend (figure about 2.5 feet/80cm). She tested positive the next days. I tested negative with PCR twice in the last week however. If was unboosted, much less unvaccinated, I'm 100% sure I'd be positive.
    - autokad 5y ago
      well congratulations, I'm boosted and it didnt mean shit, you were probably just lucky
      - AshleyGrant 5y ago
        Actually, you were unlucky. Also, did you end up in the hospital? Did you die? Because by being vaxxed and boosted you greatly increased your chances of having the chance to post ill-informed comments on Hacker News post-recovery.

> It's not likely to increase my immunity and it comes with risks. Can you explain what risks you're referring to here?

by bink 5y ago

> It's not likely to increase my immunity and it comes with risks. Can you explain what risks you're referring to here?

mlac 5y ago

There have been side effects from the vaccine, including documented cases of really bad reactions [1],[2]. I’m double vaxxed, boosted, and got covid. But to say the shot is without risks is disingenuous. That said, the risk of dying unvaccinated from COVID is much greater than the risks of vaccine. And it’s unclear if side effects from the shot are correlated to worse outcomes from COVID (e.g. It’s unknown if these people who were paralyzed definitely would have died when they contracted covid, so paralysis is a potentially better outcome). [1] https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-recovery-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/ https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-... [2] https://www.wkrn.com/news/nashville-woman-partially-paralyzed-after-rare-reaction-to-covid-vaccine-walks-again/ https://www.wkrn.com/news/nashville-woman-partially-paralyze...

edmundsauto 5y ago
The relevant risk for your situation is vaccine risk, versus risk of reinfection (not just hospitalization, but also long term effects). The math may still work out for your preferred choice, but i wanted to point out that it’s fallacious to dismiss the (rare) risks from reinfection, especially when focusing on the (rare) risks from the vaccine. You may have said this and I just missed it, but both those risks are small and honestly boils down to a preference IMO. I may just have missed in your comment where you made the right comparison, in which case I’m being a bit pedantic without cause and I apologize.
- jader201 5y ago
  You really went out of your way, there, to cover any potential misinterpretation. Thanks for being a considerate part of the community!
- eloff 5y ago
  I don't think you'll get any more functional immunity from an extra shot of vaccine compared to two and an infection. So the benefit side of the calculation is lacking. While the vaccine risks are very small, they're also highest for those who have had the actual infection. There will be little bits of virus lingering in my body for a long time. If I get that vaccine, my immune system is going to go ape attacking them, and maybe do some collateral damage in the process. To be clear, I still think the risk is small, but so is is the benefit. I don't think it's worth it. Thanks for writing a detailed comment of your thinking, I think we both are evaluating it the same way, I just wasn't very clear with my initial wording.
  - edmundsauto 5y ago
    > I don't think you'll get any more functional immunity from an extra shot of vaccine compared to two and an infection. The evidence disagrees with your opinion.

ipaddr 5y ago

Inflammation, memory loss, swollen lymph, chest pains, feeling sicks for months, no energy, trouble breathing. You thought the vaccines were risk free?

AshleyGrant 5y ago
The ability for humans to focus on a vanishingly small risk of side-effects to justify taking a much larger risk by refusing to vaccinate is mind-boggling to me. It's the same argument that people use to justify not wearing a seat belt. "There's types of wrecks where being unbelted is actually safer!" Well, sure, but those are an extremely tiny portion of wrecks, and you're vastly safer in the vast, vast majority of wrecks wearing a seat belt. Get the damned vaccine. If you experience side effects, then that sucks, you lost the lottery. The CDC reports: * Anaphylaxis happens to 5 people per million vaccinated. (0.0005% rate) * Thrombosis with TTS after J&J vaccine. 57 confirmed in more than 18 million doses (0.0003% rate) * GBS after J&J vaccine. 302 cases in more than 18 million doses (0.0017% rate) * Myocarditis. 1233 reports in total. * Death. 11,657 deaths among vaccinated. Note that this is death for any reason. A vaccinated person mauled to death by a bear is counted here. (0.0022% rate) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad... * edit for formatting
- lilsoso 5y ago
  For young males, the risk of myocarditis strikes me as underappreciated. To quote the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/health/researchers-find-a-higher-than-expected-risk-of-myocarditis-in-young-men-after-full-vaccination.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/health/researchers-find-a...): "Males between 16 and 29 years of age have an increased risk of developing heart problems after receiving a second dose of coronavirus vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNtech or Moderna, according to a large new analysis published on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine. The study, conducted in Israel, estimated that nearly 11 of every 100,000 males in that age group developed myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, a few days after having been fully vaccinated."
  - 5y ago

autokad 5y ago

my first 2 shots were fine, but my booster f'ed me up. I was in lots of body pain for 36 hours. 5 weeks later I caught omicron. I imagine by some point this year Ill be considered not fully vaccinated, but right now my desire to get another booster is very small. right now we know that even the booster provides little ability to stop you from getting omicron. likely by the next mandated booster the variant of the time will also easily surpass the booster.

AshleyGrant 5y ago
> right now we know that even the booster provides little ability to stop you from getting omicron This is true, but the data is showing that being boosted means that catching Omicron when boosted means you are much, much more likely to have a very minor illness. Refusing future boosters comes at the risk of your own health, as well as the health of the people around you.
- cguess 5y ago
  I'm fully boosted, sat directly across from a friend in a bar booth for over an hour last weekend (figure about 2.5 feet/80cm). She tested positive the next days. I tested negative with PCR twice in the last week however. If was unboosted, much less unvaccinated, I'm 100% sure I'd be positive.
  - autokad 5y ago
    well congratulations, I'm boosted and it didnt mean shit, you were probably just lucky
    - AshleyGrant 5y ago
      Actually, you were unlucky. Also, did you end up in the hospital? Did you die? Because by being vaxxed and boosted you greatly increased your chances of having the chance to post ill-informed comments on Hacker News post-recovery.