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Maybe this person's popularity only looks polar to you because you're making things out to have a team L and a team R, whereas it's more like team R is real and

Maybe this person's popularity only looks polar to you because you're making things out to have a team L and a team R, whereas it's more like team R is real and hallucinating a bogeyman team L where surely folks worship named figureheads as much as team R.

crackercrews 5y ago
You think Planned Parenthood is not polarized? I guarantee you that Wen's favorables/unfavorables break down purely along partisan lines. Plenty of people don't know her. But prior to this statement, all of her favorables were Ds and all of her unfavorables were R's. Not everything is partisan. But abortion surely is.
- kajecounterhack 5y ago
  My point is simply that it seems odd to describe an individual as "polarizing" when the people who know them are generally either the large number of haters (thanks to R media demonizing individuals) or their small group of personal supporters (because there isn't this huge group worshipping her as you might imagine). My other point is that Planned Parenthood and abortion are of course polarizing topics but pro-choice folks are not as monolithic in ideology as the core republican base, so it's weird to see statements like this which you made: > She is especially respected on the political left. That makes her statement especially surprising because the left has been the side pushing the mask mandates. This rings untrue, and like someone's been watching too much angry news. And characterizing mask mandates as some nonexistent "left-wing agenda" is also really unfair to folks who may not have progressive politics but support masking. My parents for example are Christian capital-R Republicans but think it's bonkers that we can't get folks to do what is best for the common good, in the name of "freedom." At least they understand, very minimally, the difference between fascism and emergency measures. There are not two sides to this issue until one angry group of people decide "you're either with us or against us" and generate those two sides out of thin air. It's really stupid to do that. Abortion and masking are not related. That are you surprised an individual has a unique opinion different from "their team" is very telling.
  - crackercrews 5y ago
    You seem to know a lot about an anonymous person on the internet! If you can't see that abortion is polarized along partisan lines, we live on different planets.
    - lesuorac 5y ago
      "Abortion care" is less than 8% of what people go to Planned Parenthood for ... Abortion may be polarizing but to take a minority focus of Planned Parenthood and claim Planned Parenthood is polarizing because of it is silly.
      - crackercrews 5y ago
        That's one way to frame it! The alternative: Planned Parenthood provides the majority of abortions in the US. The Washington Post has a good explainer on this. [1] 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/08/12/for-planned-parenthood-abortion-stats-3-percent-and-94-percent-are-both-misleading/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/08/...
        kajecounterhack 5y ago
        Yeah yeah we get it, republicans hate planned parenthood. What everyone in these replies is trying to tell you, is that this DOESN'T mean democrats/the left/however you want to group {everyone else}, gives a crap about the details of that specific organization / who runs it, even if they are pro-choice in ideology. And your constant choice of saying "but the left!" is problematic at its core.
        crackercrews 5y ago
        How is that your takeaway from the balanced fact check article? It says both sides are wrong. As an enlightened liberal, you clearly know better! Good day, friend.
    - 5y ago

crackercrews 5y ago

You think Planned Parenthood is not polarized? I guarantee you that Wen's favorables/unfavorables break down purely along partisan lines. Plenty of people don't know her. But prior to this statement, all of her favorables were Ds and all of her unfavorables were R's. Not everything is partisan. But abortion surely is.

kajecounterhack 5y ago
My point is simply that it seems odd to describe an individual as "polarizing" when the people who know them are generally either the large number of haters (thanks to R media demonizing individuals) or their small group of personal supporters (because there isn't this huge group worshipping her as you might imagine). My other point is that Planned Parenthood and abortion are of course polarizing topics but pro-choice folks are not as monolithic in ideology as the core republican base, so it's weird to see statements like this which you made: > She is especially respected on the political left. That makes her statement especially surprising because the left has been the side pushing the mask mandates. This rings untrue, and like someone's been watching too much angry news. And characterizing mask mandates as some nonexistent "left-wing agenda" is also really unfair to folks who may not have progressive politics but support masking. My parents for example are Christian capital-R Republicans but think it's bonkers that we can't get folks to do what is best for the common good, in the name of "freedom." At least they understand, very minimally, the difference between fascism and emergency measures. There are not two sides to this issue until one angry group of people decide "you're either with us or against us" and generate those two sides out of thin air. It's really stupid to do that. Abortion and masking are not related. That are you surprised an individual has a unique opinion different from "their team" is very telling.
- crackercrews 5y ago
  You seem to know a lot about an anonymous person on the internet! If you can't see that abortion is polarized along partisan lines, we live on different planets.
  - lesuorac 5y ago
    "Abortion care" is less than 8% of what people go to Planned Parenthood for ... Abortion may be polarizing but to take a minority focus of Planned Parenthood and claim Planned Parenthood is polarizing because of it is silly.
    - crackercrews 5y ago
      That's one way to frame it! The alternative: Planned Parenthood provides the majority of abortions in the US. The Washington Post has a good explainer on this. [1] 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/08/12/for-planned-parenthood-abortion-stats-3-percent-and-94-percent-are-both-misleading/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/08/...
      - kajecounterhack 5y ago
        Yeah yeah we get it, republicans hate planned parenthood. What everyone in these replies is trying to tell you, is that this DOESN'T mean democrats/the left/however you want to group {everyone else}, gives a crap about the details of that specific organization / who runs it, even if they are pro-choice in ideology. And your constant choice of saying "but the left!" is problematic at its core.
        crackercrews 5y ago
        How is that your takeaway from the balanced fact check article? It says both sides are wrong. As an enlightened liberal, you clearly know better! Good day, friend.
  - 5y ago