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Not a police state to put in more restrictions after the bare minimum hasn't worked or been followed.

by SSilver2k2 5y ago

aaomidi 5y ago
Grocery stores are barely a vector of transmission. There's no real data to back this decision up.
jaywalk 5y ago
Whether you agree with the policies or not doesn't change the fact that it's a police state.
kerneloftruth 5y ago
What does "worked" mean? Illness and risk lower, or simply people following orders? People have lost sight of the former after unrelenting emphasis on the latter. It's time to turn critical thinking skills back on.
- errcorrectcode 5y ago
  Vaccinations prevent deaths and reduce stress on the healthcare system. They work, but they only work when people get them. Read: When Did Mandatory Vaccinations Become Common? (article from 2015) https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/158827 https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/158827 There were 1282 cases of measles in 2019. Around 90% were caused by anti-vaxx hermit communities who freeload off the protections of the police, military, healthcare system, and other services, but live here and put others at risk because magical beliefs makes them "special". If you reject vaccinations, then I suggest you should sign a waiver that you also reject healthcare. Can't have it both ways. "Ounce of prevention."
dijonman2 5y ago
False. Individual liberty must be protected. Denying food shopping is a special kind of cruel and unusual punishment. It’s a personal choice, full stop.
- SSilver2k2 5y ago
  Yes, such a cruel and unusual punishment to have your groceries delivered directly to your door.
  - pbourke 5y ago
    Not everyone is able to do that, for a number of reasons: - not capable of using a mobile app or website for ordering - low language proficiency - not able to be at home to accept delivery during the day - don’t have a means of payment compatible with online ordering - live paycheck to paycheck and depend on going to the store “on demand” to make essential purchases (such as on payday). Often after normal delivery hours.
    - qtzl 5y ago
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  Why should it be a personal choice? Living through this pandemic without getting vaccinated is at least as dangerous to public health as driving a car without wearing a seatbelt, and that is illegal. Even if the vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of COVID (it does much more than nothing), it is still of vital importance to keeping ICUs free, which in turn is important for everyone. Since your choice has an outsize effect on society, and since we have ample, overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence that the vaccine is safe and certainly hundreds of times safer than the disease, I see no reason why it shouldn't be considered mandatory.
  - Baloo 5y ago
    Where exactly do we draw the line? I'm young, slim, healthy, unvaccinated, not tested positive for Covid once even after my housemates had it. "There is not a single example of a country with less than 40% of the population overweight that has high death rates (over 10 per 100,000). Similarly, no country with a death rate over 100 per 100,000 had less than 50% of their population overweight" Are we going to start banning overweight from consuming alcohol and eating fast food? They're putting tremendous pressure on our universal healthcare system, their choice to be unhealthy has an outsized effect on society; specifically the health systems that we are using as a reason to push vaccination on everyone, regardless of their risk category. Can't you see where this mindset leads us?

Not a police state to put in more restrictions after the bare minimum hasn't worked or been followed.

aaomidi 5y ago

Grocery stores are barely a vector of transmission. There's no real data to back this decision up.

jaywalk 5y ago

Whether you agree with the policies or not doesn't change the fact that it's a police state.

kerneloftruth 5y ago

What does "worked" mean? Illness and risk lower, or simply people following orders? People have lost sight of the former after unrelenting emphasis on the latter. It's time to turn critical thinking skills back on.

errcorrectcode 5y ago
Vaccinations prevent deaths and reduce stress on the healthcare system. They work, but they only work when people get them. Read: When Did Mandatory Vaccinations Become Common? (article from 2015) https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/158827 https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/158827 There were 1282 cases of measles in 2019. Around 90% were caused by anti-vaxx hermit communities who freeload off the protections of the police, military, healthcare system, and other services, but live here and put others at risk because magical beliefs makes them "special". If you reject vaccinations, then I suggest you should sign a waiver that you also reject healthcare. Can't have it both ways. "Ounce of prevention."

dijonman2 5y ago

False. Individual liberty must be protected. Denying food shopping is a special kind of cruel and unusual punishment. It’s a personal choice, full stop.

SSilver2k2 5y ago
Yes, such a cruel and unusual punishment to have your groceries delivered directly to your door.
- pbourke 5y ago
  Not everyone is able to do that, for a number of reasons: - not capable of using a mobile app or website for ordering - low language proficiency - not able to be at home to accept delivery during the day - don’t have a means of payment compatible with online ordering - live paycheck to paycheck and depend on going to the store “on demand” to make essential purchases (such as on payday). Often after normal delivery hours.
  - qtzl 5y ago
tsimionescu 5y ago
Why should it be a personal choice? Living through this pandemic without getting vaccinated is at least as dangerous to public health as driving a car without wearing a seatbelt, and that is illegal. Even if the vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of COVID (it does much more than nothing), it is still of vital importance to keeping ICUs free, which in turn is important for everyone. Since your choice has an outsize effect on society, and since we have ample, overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence that the vaccine is safe and certainly hundreds of times safer than the disease, I see no reason why it shouldn't be considered mandatory.
- Baloo 5y ago
  Where exactly do we draw the line? I'm young, slim, healthy, unvaccinated, not tested positive for Covid once even after my housemates had it. "There is not a single example of a country with less than 40% of the population overweight that has high death rates (over 10 per 100,000). Similarly, no country with a death rate over 100 per 100,000 had less than 50% of their population overweight" Are we going to start banning overweight from consuming alcohol and eating fast food? They're putting tremendous pressure on our universal healthcare system, their choice to be unhealthy has an outsized effect on society; specifically the health systems that we are using as a reason to push vaccination on everyone, regardless of their risk category. Can't you see where this mindset leads us?