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> With COVID becoming endemic everyone is going to get antibodies Vaccines provide better protection than infection, just to be clear. It's not true that you'r

> With COVID becoming endemic everyone is going to get antibodies Vaccines provide better protection than infection, just to be clear. It's not true that you're safe because of a previous infection. See: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

reducesuffering 5y ago
I see your Aug. '21 CDC paper, and raise you 1 more recent Jan. '22 CDC paper: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm "By the week beginning October 3, compared with COVID-19 cases rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, case rates among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 6.2-fold (California) and 4.5-fold (New York) lower; rates were substantially lower among both groups with previous COVID-19 diagnoses, including 29.0-fold (California) and 14.7-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, and 32.5-fold (California) and 19.8-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis of COVID-19. During the same period, compared with hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, hospitalization rates in California followed a similar pattern. These results demonstrate that vaccination protects against COVID-19 and related hospitalization, and that surviving a previous infection protects against a reinfection and related hospitalization. Importantly, infection-derived protection was higher after the Delta variant became predominant, a time when vaccine-induced immunity for many persons declined because of immune evasion and immunologic waning (2,5,6)." TL;DR only vaccine did not provide better protection than only previous infection
lliamander 5y ago
Not necessarily: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
systemvoltage 5y ago
No they don't, indisputably now. See the massive 15 million people study from CDC Jan'2022 paper and here is an article that summarizes it: https://thepulse.one/2022/01/24/cdc-admits-the-obvious-natural-covid-immunity-is-extremely-powerful/ https://thepulse.one/2022/01/24/cdc-admits-the-obvious-natur...
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Actual paper published on Jan 19, 2022: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm...

reducesuffering 5y ago

I see your Aug. '21 CDC paper, and raise you 1 more recent Jan. '22 CDC paper: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm "By the week beginning October 3, compared with COVID-19 cases rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, case rates among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 6.2-fold (California) and 4.5-fold (New York) lower; rates were substantially lower among both groups with previous COVID-19 diagnoses, including 29.0-fold (California) and 14.7-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, and 32.5-fold (California) and 19.8-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis of COVID-19. During the same period, compared with hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, hospitalization rates in California followed a similar pattern. These results demonstrate that vaccination protects against COVID-19 and related hospitalization, and that surviving a previous infection protects against a reinfection and related hospitalization. Importantly, infection-derived protection was higher after the Delta variant became predominant, a time when vaccine-induced immunity for many persons declined because of immune evasion and immunologic waning (2,5,6)." TL;DR only vaccine did not provide better protection than only previous infection

lliamander 5y ago

Not necessarily: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

systemvoltage 5y ago

No they don't, indisputably now. See the massive 15 million people study from CDC Jan'2022 paper and here is an article that summarizes it: https://thepulse.one/2022/01/24/cdc-admits-the-obvious-natural-covid-immunity-is-extremely-powerful/ https://thepulse.one/2022/01/24/cdc-admits-the-obvious-natur...

systemvoltage 5y ago
Actual paper published on Jan 19, 2022: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm...