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And vaccines are supposed to protect you, so if people aren't allowed to make their own choices then might as well force them to make whatever groupthink thinks

And vaccines are supposed to protect you, so if people aren't allowed to make their own choices then might as well force them to make whatever groupthink thinks is the best for them.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
Vaccines are also a public health measure, like smoking restrictions. You can't choose to keep a petri dish of ebola around either. You are subject to "groupthink" unless you self-sustain in the woods somewhere. We call it "society." Many things you do every day are a result of "groupthink." The pipes that deliver the water, the social contracts that say you need to wear pants.
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- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Smoking restrictions are not permanent like forcing someone to get an experimental shot. The groupthink you are supporting also caused racism, wars, poverty and has created a mental health crisis. Youth suicide is at an all time high.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    The vaccine isn't permanent, as we've very quickly discovered. Death is. How would you have done things differently to avoid racism, wars, poverty, and mental health crises? Do you think the suicide rate would have been half as high if twice as many people died from the virus? These are not easy questions to answer. I certainly don't know, and I don't expect you to. It's very easy to act like you know better in hindsight. The only non "groupthink" way to approach this pandemic would have been to do nothing. There's not a datapoint on the planet that supports doing nothing. Everything else requires some societal "groupthink" effort.
    - encryptluks2 5y ago
      Well for starters rather than force mandate/isolate everyone... people could have been given the option to isolate if they wanted to. Instead we had governors closing down beaches and hiking trails while getting caught fine dining in large groups in Napa. We've also determined that obesity and other contributing factors regarding health have a significant impact on the effects of COVID-19. If anything, the hypocrites have made things worse at times by preventing access to activities that would improve health and rewarding people getting vaccinated from an old variant with free beer, donuts and fast food.
jatone 5y ago
vaccines do protect you from the virus, they don't protect you from an overloaded health care system because others decided they didn't want to get vaxed.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  The health care system is overloaded due to shortages of employees wanting to work in healthcare while being mandated to take an experimental vaccine, shortages of labor due to inflation and people re-evaluating whether they want to be wage slaves, and shortages of health care professionals who are taking time off of work due to being sick and many claiming COVID-19 despite being triple vaccinated. Hospitals are also incentivized to inflate the issue of shortages to get more funding.
  - acdha 5y ago
    The vaccines are hardly experimental at this point — Pfizer has full approval and all of them have far more data than usual showing high safety and efficacy — and very few employees chose to leave. You don't get the kind of overload hospitals are reporting from 1% of your workforce choosing not to follow safety guidelines. > Hospitals are also incentivized to inflate the issue of shortages to get more funding. That's a conspiracy theory which has no supporting evidence — which is highly unlikely given how many thousands of people would have to be keeping it perfectly secret — and it doesn't fit with how the American medical system works. Hospitals have been reporting significant financial stress because they make most of their money from the elective procedures and other higher-profit treatments which are being canceled due to COVID-19 overload.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    It's mostly overloaded because there are more patients than usual though. Ask anyone that works in a hospital. Some literally ran out of physical space to put people, despite staffing. Do you think hospitals are faking their physical dimensions in order to get larger budgets?
    - encryptluks2 5y ago

And vaccines are supposed to protect you, so if people aren't allowed to make their own choices then might as well force them to make whatever groupthink thinks is the best for them.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

Vaccines are also a public health measure, like smoking restrictions. You can't choose to keep a petri dish of ebola around either. You are subject to "groupthink" unless you self-sustain in the woods somewhere. We call it "society." Many things you do every day are a result of "groupthink." The pipes that deliver the water, the social contracts that say you need to wear pants.

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encryptluks2 5y ago
Smoking restrictions are not permanent like forcing someone to get an experimental shot. The groupthink you are supporting also caused racism, wars, poverty and has created a mental health crisis. Youth suicide is at an all time high.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  The vaccine isn't permanent, as we've very quickly discovered. Death is. How would you have done things differently to avoid racism, wars, poverty, and mental health crises? Do you think the suicide rate would have been half as high if twice as many people died from the virus? These are not easy questions to answer. I certainly don't know, and I don't expect you to. It's very easy to act like you know better in hindsight. The only non "groupthink" way to approach this pandemic would have been to do nothing. There's not a datapoint on the planet that supports doing nothing. Everything else requires some societal "groupthink" effort.
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    Well for starters rather than force mandate/isolate everyone... people could have been given the option to isolate if they wanted to. Instead we had governors closing down beaches and hiking trails while getting caught fine dining in large groups in Napa. We've also determined that obesity and other contributing factors regarding health have a significant impact on the effects of COVID-19. If anything, the hypocrites have made things worse at times by preventing access to activities that would improve health and rewarding people getting vaccinated from an old variant with free beer, donuts and fast food.

jatone 5y ago

vaccines do protect you from the virus, they don't protect you from an overloaded health care system because others decided they didn't want to get vaxed.

encryptluks2 5y ago
The health care system is overloaded due to shortages of employees wanting to work in healthcare while being mandated to take an experimental vaccine, shortages of labor due to inflation and people re-evaluating whether they want to be wage slaves, and shortages of health care professionals who are taking time off of work due to being sick and many claiming COVID-19 despite being triple vaccinated. Hospitals are also incentivized to inflate the issue of shortages to get more funding.
- acdha 5y ago
  The vaccines are hardly experimental at this point — Pfizer has full approval and all of them have far more data than usual showing high safety and efficacy — and very few employees chose to leave. You don't get the kind of overload hospitals are reporting from 1% of your workforce choosing not to follow safety guidelines. > Hospitals are also incentivized to inflate the issue of shortages to get more funding. That's a conspiracy theory which has no supporting evidence — which is highly unlikely given how many thousands of people would have to be keeping it perfectly secret — and it doesn't fit with how the American medical system works. Hospitals have been reporting significant financial stress because they make most of their money from the elective procedures and other higher-profit treatments which are being canceled due to COVID-19 overload.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  It's mostly overloaded because there are more patients than usual though. Ask anyone that works in a hospital. Some literally ran out of physical space to put people, despite staffing. Do you think hospitals are faking their physical dimensions in order to get larger budgets?
  - encryptluks2 5y ago