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What is the device required referenced in 'A'? My mind might just be missing something obvious, but I'm drawing a blank.

digisign 5y ago
A smart-phone of one of the two supported corporate-controlled OSs, iOS or Android.
- growse 5y ago
  So then what's the law referenced in 'A' that requires me to buy and carry around a smartphone?
  - the-dude 5y ago
    In NL I have to show a QR code to enter certain facilities.
    - giantrobot 5y ago
      Which can be printed on paper?
      - the-dude 5y ago
        This is true. I would need to print twice a week and I don't own a printer.
        growse 5y ago
        In the UK, you can have it posted to you, so you don't need a printer.
        the-dude 5y ago
        Does this work for a 'permit to enter' which is only valid 24hrs?
        growse 5y ago
        Only a CoronaCeck test result certificate is valid for 24 hours. Certificates of vaccination and recovery are valid for much longer (https://coronacheck.nl/en/faq/1-4-hoe-lang-is-mijn-coronabewijs-geldig-en-kan-ik-m-meerdere-keren-gebruiken/ https://coronacheck.nl/en/faq/1-4-hoe-lang-is-mijn-coronabew...). Are there places which are legally required to only accept test result certificates?
        the-dude 5y ago
        > Are there places which are legally required to only accept test result certificates? Not in NL. Why does this matter?
        PeterisP 5y ago
        For me, elective medical procedures and air travel required a recent (<24h) test result, vaccination was not sufficient.
      - 015a 5y ago
        For now. As an example, there are Amazon Prime discounts available at Whole Foods, and this QR code which asserts your membership cannot be printed because it embeds an OTP-like temporal code which changes every 60 seconds. Any QR code which can be printed, can be copied. There's a vested interest for the operators of these systems to reduce the copyability of these codes (think: vaccine passports). Embedding a temporal code, changing the QR code every few minutes, and invalidating old codes, essentially OTP, is the most straightforward and industry standard way of doing this; it's inevitable.
      - vanusa 5y ago
        Yes.
  - digisign 5y ago
    It's a looking-forward statement... projecting current trends 5-10 years in the future. More likely will be a de-facto requirement to participate in society rather than a law. As I mentioned in another comment, many private companies are already requiring it.
    - vanusa 5y ago
      Okay, so not in the present tense, like the commenter indicated. And not like actually "legally".
      - digisign 5y ago
        Yes, first line says this: We are right now in the process of… "Legally" part looks like a stretch goal to me, however.
        ByThyGrace 5y ago
        In modern republics there is the practise of turning custom into law[0] by the generalized social manifestation of said custom, without said law having been enacted by a legislative body such as congress. All it takes is one judge setting the precedent. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_law
        vanusa 5y ago
        In edge case matters not defined by current law, sometimes. But precedents that simply overturn other laws -- or as applies to the matter at hand, in the United States at least: the 4th Amendment - no.
    - growse 5y ago
      Another forward-looking statement might be that "governments will require constant 24-hour curfews 10 years from now". After all, that's just projecting and extrapolating from recent historical events (temporary movement restrictions, or lockdowns). Anyone can make "forward looking statements". If they're going to be useful and not dismissed as hysterical fear-mongering, then it helps if they're actually credible.

digisign 5y ago

A smart-phone of one of the two supported corporate-controlled OSs, iOS or Android.

growse 5y ago
So then what's the law referenced in 'A' that requires me to buy and carry around a smartphone?
- the-dude 5y ago
  In NL I have to show a QR code to enter certain facilities.
  - giantrobot 5y ago
    Which can be printed on paper?
    - the-dude 5y ago
      This is true. I would need to print twice a week and I don't own a printer.
      - growse 5y ago
        In the UK, you can have it posted to you, so you don't need a printer.
        the-dude 5y ago
        Does this work for a 'permit to enter' which is only valid 24hrs?
        growse 5y ago
        Only a CoronaCeck test result certificate is valid for 24 hours. Certificates of vaccination and recovery are valid for much longer (https://coronacheck.nl/en/faq/1-4-hoe-lang-is-mijn-coronabewijs-geldig-en-kan-ik-m-meerdere-keren-gebruiken/ https://coronacheck.nl/en/faq/1-4-hoe-lang-is-mijn-coronabew...). Are there places which are legally required to only accept test result certificates?
        the-dude 5y ago
        > Are there places which are legally required to only accept test result certificates? Not in NL. Why does this matter?
        PeterisP 5y ago
        For me, elective medical procedures and air travel required a recent (<24h) test result, vaccination was not sufficient.
    - 015a 5y ago
      For now. As an example, there are Amazon Prime discounts available at Whole Foods, and this QR code which asserts your membership cannot be printed because it embeds an OTP-like temporal code which changes every 60 seconds. Any QR code which can be printed, can be copied. There's a vested interest for the operators of these systems to reduce the copyability of these codes (think: vaccine passports). Embedding a temporal code, changing the QR code every few minutes, and invalidating old codes, essentially OTP, is the most straightforward and industry standard way of doing this; it's inevitable.
    - vanusa 5y ago
      Yes.
- digisign 5y ago
  It's a looking-forward statement... projecting current trends 5-10 years in the future. More likely will be a de-facto requirement to participate in society rather than a law. As I mentioned in another comment, many private companies are already requiring it.
  - vanusa 5y ago
    Okay, so not in the present tense, like the commenter indicated. And not like actually "legally".
    - digisign 5y ago
      Yes, first line says this: We are right now in the process of… "Legally" part looks like a stretch goal to me, however.
      - ByThyGrace 5y ago
        In modern republics there is the practise of turning custom into law[0] by the generalized social manifestation of said custom, without said law having been enacted by a legislative body such as congress. All it takes is one judge setting the precedent. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_law
        vanusa 5y ago
        In edge case matters not defined by current law, sometimes. But precedents that simply overturn other laws -- or as applies to the matter at hand, in the United States at least: the 4th Amendment - no.
  - growse 5y ago
    Another forward-looking statement might be that "governments will require constant 24-hour curfews 10 years from now". After all, that's just projecting and extrapolating from recent historical events (temporary movement restrictions, or lockdowns). Anyone can make "forward looking statements". If they're going to be useful and not dismissed as hysterical fear-mongering, then it helps if they're actually credible.