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Speaking as a Republican who has not gotten vaccinated, yes.

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xadhominemx 5y ago
Before COVID vaccines, Republicans on average trusted pharma way more than Democrats. In general, distrust in pharma is the effect, not the cause, of anti-vax sentiment. I don’t know what’s going on in your specific case. I suspect you are comparing the health risk of vax to not vax, instead of the risk of vax to COVID, which is the comparison you should be making since everyone is going to get omicron eventually, but whatever.
- andrewclunn 5y ago
  I already got Covid. If you spent a little less time assuming other people's positions (and their motivations), you might find the space to hear them instead.
  - xadhominemx 5y ago
    So it sounds like you didn’t get vaccinated not because you don’t trust pharma but because you already were infected and don’t need the vaccine? In any event, the risks of the vaccine are still probably much lower than the risks of a second infection, especially if you were infected more than a year ago
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  - good8675309 5y ago
    Same boat as Andrew. I've already had Omicron. I'm also at a healthy weight, take all recommended supplements and exercise. According to mainstream sources natural immunity is basically the same as the vaccine if not better. The war is over, people just haven't realized it yet. > On the whole, studies found that the efficacy of infection-induced immunity was about the same as what you’d get from a two-dose mRNA vaccine, and sometimes higher. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-omicron-upended-what-we-thought-we-knew-about-natural-immunity/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-omicron-upended-wha...
    - xadhominemx 5y ago
      Who hasn’t realized it? The country is fully open and other than mask requirements in schools and public transit, there are essentially no restrictions for vaccinated individuals
      - good8675309 5y ago
        > no restrictions for vaccinated individuals We're talking about natural immunity
      - spookthesunset 5y ago
        > The country is fully open and other than mask requirements in schools and public transit, there are essentially no restrictions for vaccinated individuals Then it isn't open. Until masks and mass testing are gone, the motor that powers the panic is still running hot and this never ends.
- peytoncasper 5y ago
  As someone who struggled as well to put myself in the mindset and having just finished reading Empire of Pain which documents the Sackler Family and Purdue's responsibility in the opioid epidemic. It might be worth reading through it to view a mindset that has developed around pharmaceutical companies and doctors in places that were hit the hardest by the opioid epidemic such as mining towns, old industry towns and other rural areas that are predominately Republican. They may vote Republican, but I think its fair to say that its likely not the image that first comes to your mind when talking about pro-business, well off Republicans.
- vmception 5y ago
  Horseshoe theory Far right and far left reach the same behaviors for different reasons
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Before COVID vaccines, Republicans on average trusted pharma way more than Democrats. In general, distrust in pharma is the effect, not the cause, of anti-vax sentiment. I don’t know what’s going on in your specific case. I suspect you are comparing the health risk of vax to not vax, instead of the risk of vax to COVID, which is the comparison you should be making since everyone is going to get omicron eventually, but whatever.

andrewclunn 5y ago
I already got Covid. If you spent a little less time assuming other people's positions (and their motivations), you might find the space to hear them instead.
- xadhominemx 5y ago
  So it sounds like you didn’t get vaccinated not because you don’t trust pharma but because you already were infected and don’t need the vaccine? In any event, the risks of the vaccine are still probably much lower than the risks of a second infection, especially if you were infected more than a year ago
- webdood90 5y ago
- good8675309 5y ago
  Same boat as Andrew. I've already had Omicron. I'm also at a healthy weight, take all recommended supplements and exercise. According to mainstream sources natural immunity is basically the same as the vaccine if not better. The war is over, people just haven't realized it yet. > On the whole, studies found that the efficacy of infection-induced immunity was about the same as what you’d get from a two-dose mRNA vaccine, and sometimes higher. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-omicron-upended-what-we-thought-we-knew-about-natural-immunity/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-omicron-upended-wha...
  - xadhominemx 5y ago
    Who hasn’t realized it? The country is fully open and other than mask requirements in schools and public transit, there are essentially no restrictions for vaccinated individuals
    - good8675309 5y ago
      > no restrictions for vaccinated individuals We're talking about natural immunity
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      > The country is fully open and other than mask requirements in schools and public transit, there are essentially no restrictions for vaccinated individuals Then it isn't open. Until masks and mass testing are gone, the motor that powers the panic is still running hot and this never ends.
peytoncasper 5y ago
As someone who struggled as well to put myself in the mindset and having just finished reading Empire of Pain which documents the Sackler Family and Purdue's responsibility in the opioid epidemic. It might be worth reading through it to view a mindset that has developed around pharmaceutical companies and doctors in places that were hit the hardest by the opioid epidemic such as mining towns, old industry towns and other rural areas that are predominately Republican. They may vote Republican, but I think its fair to say that its likely not the image that first comes to your mind when talking about pro-business, well off Republicans.
vmception 5y ago
Horseshoe theory Far right and far left reach the same behaviors for different reasons

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covidsux73 5y ago