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> Their choice to not be vaccinated or wear masks results in people we love dying. It's hard to see how vaccines stop the spread when places like NYC or Israel
by johnnyb9 5y ago
> Their choice to not be vaccinated or wear masks results in people we love dying.
It's hard to see how vaccines stop the spread when places like NYC or Israel (some of the most vaccinated places in the world) had record setting numbers in the recent wave.
If vaccines work, shouldn't the "people you love" be vaccinated and thus not impacted by unvaccinated people?
I understand masks can be effective in some cases, but is it really reasonable to demand people wear surgical or N95 masks all the time to prevent "people you love" from getting an illness with a 99.99% survival rate?
- boring_twenties 5y ago> 99.99% This is an extraordinary claim that runs counter to all available evidence and should be backed up by extraordinary evidence.
- abduhl 5y agohttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v... indicates that death rate is less than 0.1 per 1000 for omicron. Sample size is high: Our analyses included 52,297 cases with SGTF (Omicron) and 16,982 cases with non-SGTF (Delta [B.1.617.2]) infections, respectively
- boring_twenties 5y agoMy mistake, I didn't realize you were referring to Omicron specifically (which makes sense). Even so, that is much better than I thought. Thanks for providing the link.
- spookthesunset 5y ago> Even so, that is much better than I thought I forget the source but survey's suggest the average american thinks if they catch covid they have like a 10% chance of dying. This is in some cases 1000x wrong. People are badly, badly mis-informed on how survivable covid is. If people knew the actual statistics around covid severity, I don't think we'd be doing any of this at all.
- cameldrv 5y agoThese numbers don't add up for the U.S. as a whole. 0.1 out of 1000 of the entire U.S. population has died of COVID just in the past 19 days.
- lambdaba 5y agoOf Covid or with covid? With omnicron being so widespread my sense is it's almost impossible not to catch it in a hospital.
- cameldrv 5y agoYou tell me. Cite primary sources.
- abduhl 5y agoYou’re the guy arguing with a specific scientific study by using some random general statistic. You tell us.
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- cameldrv 5y agoThe statistics I'm using are the standard CDC statistics. The question of what proportion of people were dying with or from covid have not been discussed in this thread.
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