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This is answered in the last sentence of the post: >During the incidents, operational degradation would build up first with network timeouts, then individual s

This is answered in the last sentence of the post: >During the incidents, operational degradation would build up first with network timeouts, then individual servers going offline and then their key routers dropping off the internet, Ali said. "This indicates to me that this is the result of some form of network stress rather than something like a power cut."

Frost1x 5y ago
That doesn't rule out internal incompetence and/or just dealing with network infrastructure complexity. Remember not too long ago when AWS and Facebook were down for a fairly significant time period? I'd hardly call either org technically incompetent, and it's probably safe to say that either org has as much (if not significantly more) technical staff and capability onboard than a small nation state like North Korea (especially North Korea). While it's certainly possible external nation state cyber attacks are going on (who knows with the confusing Russia/Ukraine shenanigans going on), I wouldn't be quick to rule out simple technical issues and/or incompetence without a bit more evidence.
- hirako2000 5y ago
  it's actually safe to say that aws or Facebook has more competency on-board than all small nation states together, and probably more than the sum of the top nation states. btw internet is also down right now in other places such as small nation States in Africa. i guess there is no meaningful geopolitics into play so it doesn't make the news.
harles 5y ago
Network stress can easily be unintentional. This seems to be a common factor in major outages at FAANGs. Something gets overloaded, fails over to another system that’s then overloaded, leading to cascading failures. There’s a big chance this is an attack, but it’s good to have an open mind.
- bravetraveler 5y ago
  Heck, one can stress a network by plugging a cable into the very same switch it comes from! Or... a bad BGP announcement leading to misrouting, the possibilities are endless. Guessing from the outside is exactly that
hamiltonians 5y ago
the answer is always in the article unless explicitly stated otherwise

Frost1x 5y ago

That doesn't rule out internal incompetence and/or just dealing with network infrastructure complexity. Remember not too long ago when AWS and Facebook were down for a fairly significant time period? I'd hardly call either org technically incompetent, and it's probably safe to say that either org has as much (if not significantly more) technical staff and capability onboard than a small nation state like North Korea (especially North Korea). While it's certainly possible external nation state cyber attacks are going on (who knows with the confusing Russia/Ukraine shenanigans going on), I wouldn't be quick to rule out simple technical issues and/or incompetence without a bit more evidence.

hirako2000 5y ago
it's actually safe to say that aws or Facebook has more competency on-board than all small nation states together, and probably more than the sum of the top nation states. btw internet is also down right now in other places such as small nation States in Africa. i guess there is no meaningful geopolitics into play so it doesn't make the news.

harles 5y ago

Network stress can easily be unintentional. This seems to be a common factor in major outages at FAANGs. Something gets overloaded, fails over to another system that’s then overloaded, leading to cascading failures. There’s a big chance this is an attack, but it’s good to have an open mind.

bravetraveler 5y ago
Heck, one can stress a network by plugging a cable into the very same switch it comes from! Or... a bad BGP announcement leading to misrouting, the possibilities are endless. Guessing from the outside is exactly that

hamiltonians 5y ago

the answer is always in the article unless explicitly stated otherwise