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This is ironic considering Russia and China are already quite authoritarian societies. China is especially heavy handed on the surveillance side of things.

sh4un 5y ago
- core-utility 5y ago
  > People in China are ok with surveillance because most of them tend not to do things like riot for every reason, or murder people for fun. Are you sure that it's a lack of entitlement causing this, and not - maybe - threat of "disappearance" or death for speaking out? The Tiananmen Square massacre was not that long ago, and many understand the repercussions of dissent in no uncertain terms.
- zepto 5y ago
  > Russia and China don't have the issues like in the US where every single individual believes they are entitled to some special rights and privileges because of entitlement. Not being entitled to rights as an individual is generally the complaint against the political systems of China and Russia.
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  > every single individual believes they are entitled to some special rights and privileges because of entitlement That is a strange way to describe the US Constitution.
- Clubber 5y ago
  >US where every single individual believes they are entitled to some special rights and privileges because of entitlement. Most of these are encoded in law in the Bill of Rights. The US government is doing its damndest to ignore and/or circumvent these rights though on several levels like surveillance, arrest for peaceful protest/assembly/redress, arrest for refusing to ID without suspicion of a crime, civil asset forfeiture, etc. Once you lose these rights, they are historically impossible to get back, in most cases, without some sort of long term violence.
- dang 5y ago
  This sort of flamebait is not welcome on HN, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. We ban accounts that take threads further into flamewar this way. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: since your account has repeatedly been posting flamebait and unsubstantive comments, and you've ignored our request to stop, I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
pydry 5y ago
Societies that feel collectively threatened trend authoritarian. Both have a traumatic history of being invaded by empire builders and both have stark geographical vulnerabilities that left multigenerational scars.
avgcorrection 5y ago
Authoritarian state that tries to reject the influence of another authoritarian state... I’ll take “Things that are not at all ironic” for $500, Pete.

sh4un 5y ago

core-utility 5y ago
> People in China are ok with surveillance because most of them tend not to do things like riot for every reason, or murder people for fun. Are you sure that it's a lack of entitlement causing this, and not - maybe - threat of "disappearance" or death for speaking out? The Tiananmen Square massacre was not that long ago, and many understand the repercussions of dissent in no uncertain terms.
zepto 5y ago
> Russia and China don't have the issues like in the US where every single individual believes they are entitled to some special rights and privileges because of entitlement. Not being entitled to rights as an individual is generally the complaint against the political systems of China and Russia.
JaimeThompson 5y ago
> every single individual believes they are entitled to some special rights and privileges because of entitlement That is a strange way to describe the US Constitution.
Clubber 5y ago
>US where every single individual believes they are entitled to some special rights and privileges because of entitlement. Most of these are encoded in law in the Bill of Rights. The US government is doing its damndest to ignore and/or circumvent these rights though on several levels like surveillance, arrest for peaceful protest/assembly/redress, arrest for refusing to ID without suspicion of a crime, civil asset forfeiture, etc. Once you lose these rights, they are historically impossible to get back, in most cases, without some sort of long term violence.
dang 5y ago
This sort of flamebait is not welcome on HN, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. We ban accounts that take threads further into flamewar this way. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: since your account has repeatedly been posting flamebait and unsubstantive comments, and you've ignored our request to stop, I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

pydry 5y ago

Societies that feel collectively threatened trend authoritarian. Both have a traumatic history of being invaded by empire builders and both have stark geographical vulnerabilities that left multigenerational scars.

avgcorrection 5y ago

Authoritarian state that tries to reject the influence of another authoritarian state... I’ll take “Things that are not at all ironic” for $500, Pete.